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March 17, 2010 at 11:17 am #39
For those who are going to experiment with the ctrlrs here are my expierences with support from interfaces.
For all the devices the newest drivers are installed.Windows XP/ Ableton 8.1
Midiman midisport 2X2: supports multiclient (selecting the midi out in ableton preferences as in the plugin)
RME Fireface midi: does not support multiclient. (selecting the CTRLR midi out will cause an error openDevice hardware failed if it is also selcted in ableton midi preferences))
Motu Midi Express 128 USB: does not support multiclient. (selecting the CTRLR midi out will cause an error openDevice hardware failed if it is also selcted in ableton midi preferences))
OSX 1.5.4 / Ableton 8.1
Midiman midisport 2X2: supports multiclient (selecting the midi out in ableton preferences as in the plugin)
It is buggy though because sometimes you have to reselect the midi out in the CTRLR to be functionalRME Fireface midi: supports multiclient (selecting the midi out in ableton preferences as in the plugin)
No buggy behaviourMotu Midi Express 128 USB: supports multiclient (selecting the midi out in ableton preferences as in the plugin)
No buggy behaviourSo OSX drivers definately have better performance than Windows drivers. One issue left for OSX which doesn’t occur under windows:
When deleting a ctrlr from a project it will cause ableton to crash.
When opening a new project while you’re working on a project which contains a ctrlr is causes ablton to crash.
When closing a project which has a ctrlr or when quit abeton while working with a ctrlr project it alse cause ableton to crash.
It definately has something to do with closing the VST device which clauses the crashes.
It would be great if this can be resolved as it makes it totally bug free. As Roman mentioned in the other forum it is an Juce related issue. So maybe Jules can have a look at this?March 17, 2010 at 11:46 am #971The OSX issue will be fixed i’m not going to leave this like that, i just need to get my hands on some btter OSX capabale hardware (should be tomorrow). Cause this error is somewhere deep in Ableton code, i was debugging it and it looks like my code works OK however ableton’s code crashes. But like i said i need to do a lot more debugging to be 100% sure.
March 20, 2010 at 11:31 am #972I’m gonna try 8.09. Maybe this solves the crashes because there the engine wasn’t rewritten for MAX4LIVE.
First have to get a new wifi dongle for my Mac as Ifried my second in two months time ” title=”Smile” />March 20, 2010 at 11:36 am #973I posted this bug on JUCE’s forum: http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/view … f=8&t=5247 this is not a bug in my code i’m 99.9% sure about this, aby plugin built with current juce tip causes this crash in Ableton. The author of JUCE knows i didn’t get any replies yet. I guess it might be a good idea to tell Ableton about this at some point.
March 20, 2010 at 11:54 am #974Ok. I see in your report that you use Live 8.0.10. That’s also before the max4live engine. I wouldn’t make sense for me to downgrade then.
The fucked up thing with ableton support is that they have a lot of issues going on and they’ll choose the easy way probably just say: third party pugin causes this. Maybe if I can find a way in describing it to ableton they’ll have a look at it. Actually they should as I paid for the software not to crash ” title=”Smile” />
Meanwhile let’s hope Juce will find a workaround for it.March 20, 2010 at 12:02 pm #975Maybe another thing which could work is building it as an AU plugin. Is this possible with Juce?
March 20, 2010 at 12:18 pm #976yes it is, but i never had any touch with AU, i’ll have to look into this, i don’t know how MIDI is handled in AU and it’s only MAC something i want to avoid, i chose VST cause it’s 3 platform and it’s pretty solid implementation in every DAW.
March 21, 2010 at 12:19 am #977I was searching on the juce forum for similar problems Jules himself came accross the problem too:
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/view … 0&start=15Also when closing project etc. AU did work as they say. Isn’t there a wrapper for it or has the code to be rewritten from scratch.
March 21, 2010 at 12:30 am #978well it looks like it’s not fixable, once i get my hands on some well working mac i’ll try to build AU versions i wanted RTAS too but Digidesign didn’t want to give their SDK, i guess they don’t like opensource projects.
March 21, 2010 at 12:37 am #979You should try the kalyway distribution. Works fine on my pc and dual boot with xp. Witlh a 10$ wifi dongle you have a fully functioning speedy mac. Be sure to install it on a SATA drive.
March 21, 2010 at 1:00 am #980I tried them all, iPC iDeneb iAtkos Leo4All right now iPortable, on my own VAIO i can’t get the graphics to work, my Fujitsu Lifebook doesn’t even boot the right way and the NVidia card goes blank i’m downloading all the osx86 distros will try them all maybe one will work.
March 21, 2010 at 1:03 am #981With Nvidea GFX chipset the kalyway should work. All the other I couldn’t get to work as well. In kalyway you can select nvidea drivers or use nvinject.
March 21, 2010 at 11:51 am #982Also very important to use a SATA cd-rom drive. It would install otherwise but will not boot properly afterwards if it was not installed with SATA (kept me busy some time because I used IDE cd-rom)
March 22, 2010 at 1:13 pm #983Did you already had succes with any of the distro’s? My hardware is a Asus P5K and nvidea gfx card. My broh has the same hardware and also could install it without any hassle. Also on my VAIO N11M I installed it. If you want me to upload my distro somewhere let me know.
March 22, 2010 at 1:22 pm #984nah i have all of them, i’ve been a hackintosh user since it first came out.
i have two laptops, one i can’t event install, the other has ATI graphics and i can’t get that to work. but i haven’t gave up yet. I have all the distros one work better one don’t work at all, it’s a matter of time.i have a working hackintosh at work so at least i can do builds, i tried the AU build today but there is a problem with JUCE again, once that’s fixed i’ll let you know.
March 22, 2010 at 2:05 pm #985I also didn’t get a ATI based laptop running on high resolution. But great news it is probably possible to use AU.
This also will open doors for ctrlr to the Logic 9 (which a lot of people use in conjunction with hardware) community since there is no VST support in logic anymore.April 3, 2010 at 7:01 am #986[quote:38hjlxpo]So OSX drivers definately have better performance than Windows drivers.[/quote:38hjlxpo]In Windows: Whenever any midi port opening problems occur, you can simply reroute your midi signals via MIDI-OX and use those via Midi-Yoke.
May 19, 2010 at 8:09 am #987EDIROL UA25 doesent seem to support multiclient (im sad)
April 10, 2011 at 8:44 pm #988I’m resurrecting an old thread here, but it inspired me to dig my old Midisport 2×2 out of the attic and test its multiclient efficacy between Ableton Live 8.1, Renoise 2.7b, MIDI OX (simpy as another MIDI client for testing, not for routing) and Ctrlr (v4 and v5) under Windows 7 32bit.
Ableton Live, Renoise and/or MIDI OX can share the same output on the Midisport with no trouble – regardless of whether Renoise is set to use WDM or MME – but for some reason, Ctrlr won’t share with anything else. I’ve always accepted this with my Edirol UA-101’s MIDI device, as I knew it wasn’t specced to be multiclient; the Midisport [i:ivmdr1pv]is[/i:ivmdr1pv], and even lives up to the manufacturer’s promise. So is there still a problem with JUCE or Ctrlr that could be investigated with the hope of achieving true compatibility with multiclient drivers? This would make my life a hell of a lot easier, and it would also probably cut down on about 50% of queries/complaints from new Ctrlr users who can’t figure out why it doesn’t work even though they believe (erroneously) that they’ve set up all their MIDI devices ” title=”Smile” />
Whaddya think, atom?
April 10, 2011 at 8:47 pm #989Well i can post it on the JUCE forum,maybe Jules can do something about it, but that’s really all i can do.
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