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  • #73049
    zmix
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    Here is an example of the “SIZE” parameter for the PCM-70

    It is sending a Sysex string as follows:

    Sysex:Lexicon:PCM-70:MIDI CHANNEL 1: PARAMETER 03: MSB:LSB:EOX

    F0 06 00 20 03 MS LS F7

    The data range for the size parameter is given in the Lexcon manual as from 488 to 537

    I simply set the component minimum value to 488 and maximum to 537

    I manually entered the “Slider Contents” to match the PCM-70s displayed values

    3.5m=488
    4.2m=489
    4.9m=490
    5.6m=491
    6.3m=492
    7.1m=493
    7.8m=494
    8.5m=495
    9.2m=496
    9.9m=497
    10.6m=498
    11.3m=499
    12.0m=500
    12.7m=501
    13.4m=502
    14.2m=503
    14.9m=504
    15.6m=505
    16.3m=506
    17.0m=507
    17.7m=508
    18.4m=509
    19.1m=510
    19.8m=511
    20.5m=512
    21.3m=513
    22.0m=514
    22.7m=515
    23.4m=516
    24.1m=517
    24.8m=518
    25.5m=519
    26.2m=520
    26.9m=521
    27.6m=522
    28.4m=523
    29.1m=524
    29.8m=525
    30.5m=526
    31.2m=527
    31.9m=528
    32.6m=529
    33.3m=530
    34.0m=531
    34.7m=532
    35.5m=533
    36.2m=534
    36.9m=535
    37.6m=536
    38.3m=537

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    #73051
    dnaldoog
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    Thanks for this and no checksum necessary I see in the case of the PCM-70

    #73053
    human fly
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    ah, so your parameter values do follow in regular increments, then.
    sorry, don’t know what i was thinking of. 😀

    good find.
    would a checksum ‘z(n)’ byte have done the job with this, if it
    was needed?

    #73054
    zmix
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    So weird.. when I change the uiSlider to a uiFixedSlider I can no longer adjust the thumb width or height?

    Is this a BUG?

    #73055
    human fly
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    no. by the look of things, it wasn’t given the same features
    as a regular slider. that’s a shame. that’s worth a ‘request’.
    you also can’t swap it for an image strip, which would’ve
    been a way round it. damn.

    #73057
    human fly
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    tried fixedimage slider. doesn’t seem to move an imagestrip.
    can’t see the point of that. does allow you to copy in your
    own list.

    #73058
    zmix
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    Thanks for confirming, I posted a request..

    Also, when I right click on a panel, the menu that appears has the “Add Component” menu as a sub-menu within the “Replace With” menu.
    If you try to Add a component from the Add Component menu any component you select will replace the entire panel with that one component.

    There is no other menu to add components, and this menu is only able to replace an existing component.

    Shouldn’t the “Add Component” menu be at the top level of that sub menu?

    Is this a BUG?

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    #73061
    human fly
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    no, you’re doing ‘replace with’. you can just rightclick
    on the workspace and add a new component.
    i also didn’t find it replaced all components.

    by the way: in fact i do have some animation in the
    fixedimage slider. haven’t tried to get it all to
    work smoothly yet, but you should be able to get a
    multiframe image to do the job of the onboard slider.
    this means making a fader or knob with knobman, and
    exporting the image strip as a *.png file, that you
    add to Ctrlr using the resources tab and ‘add’.

    you need to know your frame size so you can enter it
    in Ctrlr properties box, and then you set the params
    until it displays properly.

    did notice that the value range minmax for these fixed
    sliders is shown as 0-1 … ?? even when you’ve add the
    list of values.

    #73062
    zmix
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    Where do I add a component by right clicking? The only menu I see is the one I posted above, ans the “Add Component” choice is a sub menu of the “replace” menu.
    So confusing…

    #73063
    human fly
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    don’t know what version you’re running, but i just
    rightclick anywhere on the workspace and get
    ‘add component’ list.

    just did it again to check… yep.. 🙂

    funny how it’s not add modulator, huh.
    Ctrlr thing: you add a component, and then it creates a
    Modulator for itself as its ‘container’, i guess.
    different set of attributes/properties.

    #73064
    zmix
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    I’m running the latest version I could find for OSX:

    Version = 5.3.198, Build date = Tue Mar 15 15:53:07 PDT 2016, Branch = Nightly, Juce = 4.0.2, libusb = 1.0.19, liblo = 0.28,

    #73065
    human fly
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    well i’m pretty sure an older version i was running before
    on PC did that too. have Version: 5.4.29 atm.

    what, you mean you cannot rightclick on the workspace and
    create an object? how did you create your FIRST object?
    (before you wanted to ‘replace’ it?)

    #73066
    zmix
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    So weird..

    If I create a a NEW panel I get the option to add a component, If I right click on an existing panel – over the background – I get only the “replace” option, however if I click over the unpopulated “grid” area I get the option to add a component, but I cannot drag it to the existing panel, it seems to go beneath it..

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    #73068
    human fly
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    haaang on a minute…’workspace’, i mean the grid area.
    if you rightclick on the UITABS you are rightclicking on a component already,
    so you are trying to replace THAT.

    any help?

    you should be able to drag an unlocked modulator onto a uiTabs
    or uiGroup. it’s a bit buggy, where it lands: you’ll find it
    lands at one spot, and then you click on it, and it can jump right
    out of reach sometimes. there’s a knack to it; i know what it is
    when i’m doing it but can’t recall exactly enough right now to
    say. not too much hassle once you’re used to it.

    i don’t understand why it’s going UNDER it, unless you’re just
    missing it somehow. you should be able to drag objects onto
    these with out any hassle.

    #73071
    zmix
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    Thanks.. learning curve, terminology, lack of documentation, so many questions.>!!!!

    #73072
    human fly
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    sorted, then?

    try this software, to make a simple imagestrip knob.
    https://www.g200kg.com/jp/software/knobman.html
    (get the 1.51 version, not the java – oh, does it work
    for Mac? …)
    make a simple knob, you’ll see how it works, then export
    the *.png, as a vertical or horizontal strip. Ctrl accepts
    both i think. then you can make a fiexed imaged slider and
    have your values as you want.
    this is a great program. and skinman is great for making
    panel backgrounds. similar in some ways to Ctrlr, in that
    items are positioned with coordinates. you can do a lot with
    it.(i’m avoiding it at the mo’, have spent a lot of time
    making stuff with both, so i’m trying to do it all inside
    Ctrlr these days)
    you can jazz up whatever you do with Ctrlr if you want.
    personally, i think you can make a decent UI with Ctrlr
    alone – maybe one or two images for complex things, but
    most other things, Ctrlr will do. much easier to blend
    colours, in Ctrlr, for instance.

    #73073
    zmix
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    Thanks so much. To be honest, some of the panels I’ve downloaded are missing their .png knobs, and come up with a “resource missing” error… I’d rather get the beast working then worry about the beauty..!

    I’m still struggling to understand how to get the parameter names and values to show in a DAW.. Can you help?

    So many of the fields in Ctrlr have illegible text and no definitions I can find, so It’t hard to figure anything out without a lot of guessing..

    Is this parameter related? What is the syntax?

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    #73078
    human fly
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    *.bpanelz are wrapped *.panels with their ‘resources’ (images, fonts etc.)
    and are saved differently – see save options: export binary, i think (forget..)

    all of those sometimes lengthily-named (attributes, i now call them, but)
    properties have some use, at some point, depending on how deep you want to
    go. for now, just use what you have a use for, is my advice. most will be
    pretty obvious.

    syntax? code, etc., i don’t know j*ck s**t about programming, tbh, as
    any of the old hands here will confirm ! i get by bodging copies of
    what other people have done, and after much headscratching you can
    figure out some useful ..’stuff’.i don’t think i could do step1
    without copying and amending. i have studied and tweaked methods
    in other panels until i get them to do what i need. i’ve looked at
    online tutorials on Lua, but that was less help, as it didn’t refer
    directly to the thing i wanted to move on with: Ctrlr. but it’s
    really cool to learn something, and get something to work.
    generally, i’ve messed around with little side ‘panels’, focusing
    on getting that thing to work, before working it into my main
    project. lots of detours. and i’m still not confident i can ‘get’
    a full patch dump, and send it to screen controls, or build a
    patch to send to the device. slowly working up to that. that is
    about handling tables and getting them to emit, and concatenate
    bytes, etc etc.
    basically: it’s hard to work on a UI while you’re considering
    how to learn to do that: doing several things at once when
    you have one brain that tends to monotask when you’re focusing.

    so i’d suggest keeping things simple for now. if you have the
    lexicon responding to sysex satisfactorily, go with that.
    worry about the Lua only for what you need it for, get a
    working panel done, and make it more sophisticated later,
    if you feel you want to.

    #73079
    zmix
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    Ah, sounds like we’re in the same boat…

    I’ll keep plugging away and see what I can learn..

    #73086
    human fly
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    hi
    here’s what i’m working on, to have a look at, maybe for later.
    to give an idea of some things that are possible without knowing
    too much about ‘coding’/scripting. this is mainly stuff i’ve
    borrowed from panels and messed around with, as i learn gradually.

    recommend you crack on as you are for now, without getting bogged
    down taking big detours with too much Lua, but there are quite a
    few useful things in here, and it should illustrate a bit how things
    work, if you can figure out what’s going on:
    (D-110 editor in progress, just added old rhythm parameters tab)
    https://app.box.com/s/0me1ktyjlknszpve7oxrnasenkt8ywtu

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