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yeah i know i had a DB crash and had to recover from backup from 7.04.2014 sorry about that…
Hi dasfaker
I can repeat these tests later tonight. I haven’t yet been able to change parts to use different outs, even though the Sysex for the outs looks the same and the virus shows ‘se’ indicating its receiving Sysex presumably? Makes me second guess routing, but when for example I change the Out away from Out 1 L&R to something else, whilst still monitoring this Out in Live it keeps playing as if I hadn’t changed the out.
I haven’t been able to get more than one patch working with different parts, and experimented with using the get button, but not clear on the steps here, but sounds like user error!
Is it:
Click part 1, select patch, click get
Click part 2, select patch, click get etc?Tried using configure to automate the panel tab selection, but no joy, would be a great feature to add back in sometime!
It’s weird, the messages sent by the panel matched the messages sent by the Virus.
Try to change outs in the Virus to see if they are reflected in the panel. On my Snow it works perfectly in both directions.
I haven’t been able to get more than one patch working with different parts, and experimented with using the get button, but not clear on the steps here, but sounds like user error!
Is it:
Click part 1, select patch, click get
Click part 2, select patch, click get etc?Keep in mind that you can only control 1 part with 1 panel. If you want multiple instances to control multiple parts, each panel must have a different part selected. So on first panel instance select part one, on the second instance part 2 and so on.
You can, from one single instance, send and receive patches from/to all parts by selecting different parts, but you can control only one part at a time
Tried using configure to automate the panel tab selection, but no joy, would be a great feature to add back in sometime!
Yep, I removed this function due to radio buttons not working too fine in Ctrlr when automated, but I will add it again in the next release.
Hi again
Got distracted with a loaned TR-8! Using the virus panel running at 96Khz I can integrate them both in Sync. Nice!
The panel doesn’t respond when changing parts on the virus and if the 2nd part is selected it will still play the patch loaded into the first part routed to Out 1 L&R. Is there any series of tests I can help with?
If you switch part on the panel, you have to click get or send buttons to update the patch on the panel
OK, so now I think I understand get/send, but now I don’t understand if it’s possible to load up several instances of Ctrlr each with a panel loaded. You mentioned that only 1 part can be played simultaneously, but I can’t get more than one part to play at all.
I have three tracks in Live each with a Ctrlr panel and each setup with a different part, each with a different patch. I arm the first track, part 1, plays fine. I arm the 2nd track using part 2 and a different patch, remember only Out 1 L&R seem to work. Play now and track 1 and track 2 still play the patch selected for the first part as they are all routed to Out 1 L&R?
So taking this back to basics. Let’s forget Ableton for a bit and see if I can get the standalone version working with multiple parts to different outs. Is that possible?
I didn’t realise there was a new panel, so upgraded to 4.2.2 on Ctrlr 1590 on Virus Ti 5.0.8.00. I’ve tried to get two patches playing using Out 1 L&R and Out 2 L&R from my Virus. Still cant only get one patch playing to Out 1 L&R
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrjvvwfj5be9m3l/Ctrlr%20Standalone%20Cant%20Change%20Parts.mov
I did also try automating the tabs in Live, and after clicking the down arrow on the Ctrlr device, Clicking configure I can successfully select the Cutoff for example and Live will detect this and allow me to automate the Cutoff. Whenever I try to select any of the tabs, Browser, OSC, Filter etc Live doesn’t detect it to automate.
I have three tracks in Live each with a Ctrlr panel and each setup with a different part, each with a different patch. I arm the first track, part 1, plays fine. I arm the 2nd track using part 2 and a different patch, remember only Out 1 L&R seem to work. Play now and track 1 and track 2 still play the patch selected for the first part as they are all routed to Out 1 L&R?
This could be a wrong Ctrlr midi setup. This screenshot shows the options you have to activate in “MIDI Thru” and “Plugin options” sections.
I did also try automating the tabs in Live, and after clicking the down arrow on the Ctrlr device, Clicking configure I can successfully select the Cutoff for example and Live will detect this and allow me to automate the Cutoff. Whenever I try to select any of the tabs, Browser, OSC, Filter etc Live doesn’t detect it to automate.
As you can see in the bottom of the image I have automated several tab buttons in Ableton without problems (except Browser button, I forgot to add this one). Could it be a low number in your MaxVstExportedParameter field of Ctrlr.overrides?
About the output settings, I found the problem. This parameter only works with Virus Control activated!! You can change the output on the panel and it changes on the Virus, but it seems that if Virus Control is not activated, the outs are managed with another parameter that is under Multi settings. So the panel should be operating with the Virus in Multi mode and not in Sequencer mode. I’ll have to change that and see if there are more troubles derived from this change.
Awesome, thanks, will try the new build later tonight and report back.
Hi again
Testing has been going well and delighted to report that the multiple outs are now working without Virus Control! Well kind of! Have now got three separate tracks in Live each with a Ctrlr instance with different parts, routed to different outs. I then realised that the Virus patches I was using were mono, so figured wouldn’t it be great if I could get 6 independent tracks working in mono from the Virus. I think there’s possibly still a bug in the Sysex? There’s now no Off option for the Part’s Out.
Using the standalone version here’s the Sysex from the panel. Note there is no Off when selecting the Part’s Out in the panel any longer:
[11:57:57:000323]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 00 f7] – Out 1 L
[11:58:01:000459]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 01 f7] – Out 1 L&R
[11:58:05:000707]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 02 f7] – Out 1 R
[11:58:10:000515]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 03 f7] – Out 2 L [11:58:14:000451]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 04 f7] – Out 2 L&R
[11:58:17:000139]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 05 f7] – Out 2 R
[11:58:25:000018]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 06 f7] – Out 3 L
[11:58:29:000842]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 07 f7] – Out 3 L&R
[11:58:33:000955]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 08 f7] – Out 3 RHere’s the Sysex from the Virus from Out 1 L to Out 3 R
[12:07:41:000549]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 01 f7]
[12:07:42:000545]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 02 f7]
[12:07:43:000888]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 03 f7]
[12:07:44:000362]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 04 f7]
[12:07:44:000627]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 05 f7]
[12:07:44:000943]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 06 f7]
[12:07:45:000103]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 07 f7]
[12:07:45:000317]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 08 f7]
[12:07:45:000471]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 73 00 2d 09 f7]So comments on this release for the Virus Ti:
4.2.2 Switching Part change midi input and output channels accordingly.
Can now select multiple Outs but the Sysex looks offset by 1 value.
4.2.3 Output parameter now assigned to Multi Part output instead of Sequencer Part output, as Sequencer Part output only works with VC.
Well other than the Out Sysex routing issue it seems to work in Sequencer mode in Live or Standalone!
4.2.4 The panel now selects “Midi Thru” and “Plugin options” settings on startup.
This is a great help and saves a lot of hassle on load. Cheers!
4.3.0 Added dragging to Arpeggiator screen
Haven’t tried this yet.
Also I’ve been persevering trying to automate the Panel’s parameters in Live. I can automate things on the OSC and Filter page, but not for example the LFO or any of the Tabs. Back to the overrides issue perhaps – I have ctrlrMaxExportedVstParameters=”600″ in the overrides file.
Great progress, hopefully we can get these last issue sorted 🙂 Thanks
Also I can load external bank patches into part 1, but no other parts, only internal RAM banks. When I try and select an external bank patch using part 2 and above as soon as I click on the name of the external bank patch the information panel at the bottom of the Panel indicates “Patch received” but it names the patch that is currently loaded. No problem loading RAM banks patches into these parts however. Any ideas?
As I told, when no VC is opened the Output parameter of the patch is not used. It is replaced by another parameter that belongs to the Multi setup, so the sysex message used is different. Now when you change output on the panel, it changes the “Multi Part Output” that is not a Patch parameter, it is a Multi parameter (on the Virus, Edit -> Multi -> Output).
That’s why there is no Off setting for output, only analog outputs. Fortunately it is not necessary to switch to Multi Mode to operate this parameter.
Also I’ve been persevering trying to automate the Panel’s parameters in Live. I can automate things on the OSC and Filter page, but not for example the LFO or any of the Tabs. Back to the overrides issue perhaps – I have ctrlrMaxExportedVstParameters=”600″ in the overrides file.
If you can automate Sysex parameters on Osc page (Unison for example) the problem must be the overrides file. If you can’t automate sysex parameters check if Midi Device ID is the same on both the panel and the Virus.
Also I can load external bank patches into part 1, but no other parts, only internal RAM banks. When I try and select an external bank patch using part 2 and above as soon as I click on the name of the external bank patch the information panel at the bottom of the Panel indicates “Patch received” but it names the patch that is currently loaded. No problem loading RAM banks patches into these parts however. Any ideas?
Yes, I found a bad assigned variable, it will be solved in the next release. Every dump was going to Part 1.
Hi dasfaker, happy Easter!
Thanks for the 4.3.1 build. Loading of external banks now works for different Parts, nice work!
Understand that the Sysex codes are now different controlling the Outs without VC, but they seem to be sent to incorrect Outs:
Out 1 L – Goes to Out 1 L&R, labelled Off in the Panel display
Out 1 L&R – Goes to Out 1 L&R labelled Out 1 L in the Panel display
Out 1 R – Goes to Out 1 L&R labelled Out 1 L&R in the Panel display
Out 2 L – Goes to Out 2 L&R labelled Out 1 R in the Panel display
Out 2 L&R – Goes to Out 2 L&R labelled Out 2 L in the Panel display
Out 2 R – Goes to Out 2 L&R labelled Out 2 L&R in the Panel display
Out 3 L – Goes to Out 3 L&R labelled Out 2 R in the Panel display
Out 3 L&R – Goes to Out 3 L&R labelled Out 3 L in the Panel display
Out 3 R – Goes to Out 3 L&R labelled Out 3 L&R in the Panel displayIn theory I should be able to get 6 mono outs from the Virus right?
I’ve tested this on 4.3.1 using the standalone and VST (Mac) version in Live and get the same result, trying both Multi and Sequencer mode on the Ti.
I love the Arp dragging feature! Very cool!
Do you think atom have another view on the ctrlr overrides file as I still haven’t been able to get some of the parameters to automate in Live?
I wonder if there might be a way to send a program change message from my iPad to Ctrlr? I use a Program Change template in Lemur which works well to send the program change message to various VSTs. It has 99 (not 128) buttons to allow direct access to various patches. Can you see of any way that I could do that with the Virus Ctrlr panel? I can router Midi from the iPad to a Lemur Daemon on the Mac which passes the instructions to the VST etc.
Thanks again, Jon
Happy Easter Jon!!
The out issue is just a lcd label error (I just fixed it), but the midi message is correct. On my Snow the first value (0) is Out 1 Left, value 1 is Out L+R and value 2 is Out Right, and the panel changes those values correctly. You say all options select Out 1 R+L?
Please, in your Virus go to Edit Multi (Shift + Edit buttons), go to output and copy here what sysex messages send the Virus from the first to the last value, to check if it’s the same on the Snow.
Do you think atom have another view on the ctrlr overrides file as I still haven’t been able to get some of the parameters to automate in Live?
I need more info here. Does this happens with only 1 panel instance? Which paramaters, sysex or cc?
I wonder if there might be a way to send a program change message from my iPad to Ctrlr?
On panel version 4.3.2 I added this option to the top Program Select menu, and it worked sending Program Change messages to the same Midi port the panel uses for Midi Input (and not Controller Input).
Had a wicked Easter party with a live Virus set running your panel 🙂
So tested this on the standalone version of Ctrlr with the Virus in Sequencer Mode.
It looks like the selected Outs selected in the 4.3.2 panel match the Sysex to those sent from Multi Edit on the Virus Ti…and yet all the L or R options play in stereo. Makes me wonder if the Virus patches selected in some way are forcing stereo??!
Out 1, Out 1 L&R, Out 1 R all get routed as Stereo to the inputs 3 and 4 on my interface.
Out 2, Out 2 L&R, Out 2 R all get routed as Stereo to the inputs 5 and 6 on my interface.
Out 3, Out 3 L&R, Out 3 R all get routed as Stereo to the inputs 7 and 8 on my interface.
I can for example select Out 1 L, which plays over inputs 3 & 4 on my interface, pull out the No 3 TRS input cables from the back of the Virus and see that the correct channel 3 drops off. Same for all channels.
Here’s the Outs from the panel selecting Out 1 L through to Out 3 R
[19:12:32:000478]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 00 f7]
[19:12:34:000151]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 01 f7]
[19:12:35:000919]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 02 f7]
[19:12:37:000807]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 03 f7]
[19:12:39:000655]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 04 f7]
[19:12:42:000262]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 05 f7]
[19:12:44:000198]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 06 f7]
[19:12:46:000277]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 07 f7]
[19:12:49:000398]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 08 f7]Here’s the sysex from the Virus Multi Edit Patch Output
[19:23:15:000436]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 00 f7]
[19:23:17:000183]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 01 f7]
[19:23:17:000775]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 02 f7]
[19:23:22:000682]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 03 f7]
[19:23:25:000766]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 04 f7]
[19:23:29:000149]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 05 f7]
[19:23:30:000832]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 06 f7]
[19:23:32:000842]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 07 f7]
[19:23:34:000100]: RAW:[f0 00 20 33 01 00 72 00 29 08 f7]Same?
So a bit stuck on this one?! Is there any setting in the Virus that you’re aware of that would override the selected Out to force stereo? My interface is configured to use these outputs as Mono each. Puzzled!!
I can change the Out on the Virus Ti itself from Out 1 L, to Out 1 L&R and Out 1 R and they all which play over inputs 3 & 4 on my interface, all in stereo, although it looks like each input is receiving the same mono signal as there is no panning or difference in the VU meters on these 2 inputs.
I can also confirm that when I change the Outs through Multi Edit on the Virus that the Outs displayed on the Virus now match what’s displayed on the Ctrlr panel. Sweet 🙂
I Notice in the Panel’s LCD display that is says:
“Access Virus Ti Ctrlr Editor – VC Version” – a minor point but just wanted to mention as not using VC at all.
Hey! I tried changing the value of Midi>Input>Device in Ctrlr to the relevant Lemur Daemon port 0. I had this set to my Midi port on my Interface which is routed through to the Virus, thinking this was required to enable automation, but can confirm automation still works when I make this change. So I can still tweak knobs on the Virus and see the Panels browser respond. But now have my Lemur template able to control Program Change and it works super sweet! Thanks
So I now hop over the Live and see about the ability to record parameters:
I now realise I did need to have of Midi>Input>Device in Ctrlr set to my interfaces midi port where my virus is attached to in order for the Panel to respond to knob tweaks. I can use Daemon 0 from Lemur under the Controller section however, so program change works well in Live using the iPad and Lemur program change template.
I tried the various parts 1-6 and Outs Out 1 L – Out 3 R again in Live with the Virus in both Sequencer and Multi Mode and get the same results as the standalone. Whats should be individual outs seems L or R are always routed to the L&R simultaneously. Odd. Any ideas?
When I try and automate parameters everything seems to work on the OSC tab and on the Filter 1 section (but not the rest of the Filter Tab) will be detected by Live (Arrow on Panel then Configure), but Live doesn’t recognise any other items on the panel. Sounds very much like what you were describing about the overrides? Have 600 set in this in the VST folder. When I try and automate clicking the Panels tabs live doesn’t recognise them, just moves to the selected tab.
Thanks, hope that helps, nearly a perfect Virus panel!
Jon
I hope you enjoyed 😉
So it’s clear that the sysex messages are the same on both the Virus and the panel, but the the patch seems to ignore the output settings. This is not the behaviour on my Snow, here the output selected on the panel match the output on the Virus and the sound is routed fine to each channel. I can’t think of another setting on the Virus that could cause your problem.
Let’s do some more testing to eliminate possible causes: Try avoiding your audio interface (maybe you can plug a headphone directly to the Virus outs and test if the audio is routed correctly).
Another try is using the Virus without the panel and without VC, change the output settings on the Virus (both Multi output setting and Patch output setting) and see if the sound is routed correctly.
I Notice in the Panel’s LCD display that is says:
“Access Virus Ti Ctrlr Editor – VC Version” – a minor point but just wanted to mention as not using VC at all.
That’s because I previously did a panel without tabs, with all the modulators on the same page, but it was so huge on screen that I made this other panel cloning the design of Virus Control, hence the VC Version on the display. I’ll delete the text as the other panel is no longer maintained.
Fantastic to hear that Program change command works fine!!
When I try and automate parameters everything seems to work on the OSC tab and on the Filter 1 section (but not the rest of the Filter Tab) will be detected by Live (Arrow on Panel then Configure), but Live doesn’t recognise any other items on the panel. Sounds very much like what you were describing about the overrides? Have 600 set in this in the VST folder. When I try and automate clicking the Panels tabs live doesn’t recognise them, just moves to the selected tab.
Well, if you can automate all parameters on Osc tab then the problem is definitely the overrides issue (it’s not related to Midi device Id).
In this topic there is other user who is having the same issue with overrides file, but with no solution yet.
Take a look in Edit -> Preferences in Ctrlr and go to MaxExportedParameter field, which value have you here? Changing it does something different?.Until we solve this, let’s try something else; open Ctrlr in Ableton and load the panel. Go to Edit -> Preferences in Ctrlr and go to MaxExportedParameter field, put 600. Finally go to File -> Export Instance. This will create a vst version of the panel (like any other vst plugin) where no Ctrlr is needed. Save it in your vst folder and then Rescan the vst folder in Ableton preferences. Now delete the Ctrlr track and create a new track with the new vst panel version. This option doesn’t need the overrides file, so test if this way you can automate all parameters.
I’ve found using the vst version of the panel do strange things when I reopen a saved project in Ableton (combo buttons are messed up and the patch is not sent correctly to the Virus), things that doesn’t happen when I use the panel inside Ctrlr.
Hi there dasfaker
Well I finally figured out what was going on! The good news is that the panels Outs are just fine!! I now have 6 mono outs working great in Live 🙂 except I run out of DSP power on patch 5 or 6! (TI1) it seemed I had a feedback loop via SPDIF that was causing the issue and now I’m syncing Live to the Virus over Midi cable I don’t need SPDIF anymore so problem solved 🙂
As you suggested when I open the live project I do need to load the patches into each of the 6 panel instances for their corresponding parts and reselect the outs by changing the Out to another value and back to the preferred out for that Part. But I can then play multiple virus patches simultaneously using Push and a Midi keyboard, wicked! I just name the clips in live with their patch names to help me remember. It would be the icing in the cake to be able to save selected patches and outs but this might just be a limitation?
So much fun playing the Virus now with the TR-8 all in sync, really amazing and quite stable 🙂 I had the Virus crash quite often using VC requiring a reboot of the Virus. I haven’t had to do that once with the panel!!
I haven’t yet figured out how I can use the lemur program change template to work on the armed track only, work in progress on that one. Also haven’t yet spent any more time trying to figure out the parameter automation issue, but will focus on that next. This is kinda of the final hurdle as I’ll be able to play lots of virus parts and record automation just like VC only better if we can figure this out.
Every once in a while I will get an LUA error, for example creating a new library, but I’ll do some more testing here and let you know.
Can’t thank you enough for your work, this is really going to help Virus uses sick of sync issues and pops to use their beloved machines!
It would be the icing in the cake to be able to save selected patches and outs but this might just be a limitation?
Using the panel inside Ctrlr all parameters are saved and they are fine when you reopen the project, but the vst version don’t. I’ll take a look there.
Can’t thank you enough for your work, this is really going to help Virus uses sick of sync issues and pops to use their beloved machines!
Thanks to you, you helped me a lot testing the panel.
Hi again, how’s it going?
I’ve had some more studio time, so thought I’d do some more testing on the Virus Ti Panel to try and iron out these last couple of issues.
1. Saving Panel Parameters in a Saved Live Project
This is the main issue I’d love to see addressed as at the moment although I can have multiple Panels, each on an Ableton track there is a process to work through each and every time I open the Live project.
At present the panel saves the selected patches in each Panel on individual Live tracks in Ableton, however when first opening each panel they are all set to part 1. The solution to this is to select the part required for that particular patch and change the selected Out to another value and back to the intended value before hitting Send to send the patch and Out to the Virus, which will otherwise boot with the default patches. Also when the panel loads within the Virus project it forgets which bank was selected, in my case with external banks. Now it comes up with (no selection) and numbers 0-127 each blank.
2 Automation working for only some parameters using the Ctrlr VST with a loaded Panel.
In Live once I click on the down arrow in the panel instance and then click configure I can automate: everything on the OSC page, except Ring Mod. I can also automate Filter 1 parameters on the Filter page, but can’t automate Filter 2, Envelope, Amp or Amp envelope. I can’t automate anything on the LFO, Matrix, FX1, FX2 and Common pages or any of the Panel’s headings for different pages.
When I open the Ctrlr panel and look at EDIT > PREFERENCES I can see that the Max Exported VST Params value is 64. (I have the overrides file in the correct directory.)
I try changing this value to 600 and I can still only automate the same items in the panel.
So I now try exporting the instance into a VST, rescan in Live and drop it into a Midi track. I can now automate the Panel’s menu headings, e.g., Browser, Osc, Filter etc. It looks like I can automate everything! What were the parameters that couldn’t be automated in Virus Control?
I’ll do some further testing to see if I see any of the odd behaviour you’ve seen e.g, combo buttons are messed up and the patch is not sent correctly to the Virus with the Exported VST instance. Are there any other implications of using a VST exported instance? What is saved in the instance? All parameters? Outs? Patches?
Maybe using this exported VST instance is the solution for resolving the automation issue?
Many thanks, hope to hear from you soon, Jon
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