NRPN – Am I doing something wrong, or bug?

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  • #363
    minimalist
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      Hi. At the moment I’m creating a pannel for the Tetra. The MIDI message type I set to "Multi". Then I inserted a pre-defined NRPN message from the clipboard. After this I typed in the field "MIDI Controller number" the number of the parameter I want to control…. I think this is it how it works, right? Because if I tweak (or move) some specific componets they are effecting many, many other components aswell. I know there is a similar bugreport which should be solved. Some Days ago I’ve experienced a similar problem with CC messages, but that happend rarely and it solved itself after restarting Ctrlr. The behaviour with NRPN is much stronger and happens very often. I’m using build 351 on Mac.

      Am I doing something wrong (if not the post could be used for a little howto guide :lol: ), or is it a bug?

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      atom
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        what do you mean that they are affecting other components ?

        what sort of NRPN numbers are you using and what sort of components are on your panel. If you can please attach the panel here

        #2799
        minimalist
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          With affecting other components I mean that I’m tweaking/moving ig a single slider and 10 other sliders (or uiCombos) also change their values.

          But at the moment I’m sure it’s a bug, because when I’m reloading Ctrlr the problem is not appearing every time immediately. The pannel I’ll attach. Try to do some changes (moving components (also mutible), tweaking some components, deleting some components) and soon you should see what I mean. Thanks.

          EDIT:
          In the pannel you can see the last strange accident. I was tweaking the VCF velocity and ALL the values of the amplifier has been affected, too (all sliders have the same position).

          #2800
          atom
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            i think i know what might be the problem it’s the vst indexing thing, i’ll have a look.

            #2801
            JKervinen
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              "minimalist":3r9cw0nb wrote:
              I was tweaking the VCF velocity and ALL the values of the amplifier has been affected, too (all sliders have the same position).[/quote:3r9cw0nb]

              I came up with the same thing on mac while building the Roland JP-8080 Panel. Problem was gone after re-opening the panel, but came back while I was editing other knobs / buttons.

              #2802
              atom
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                yes it will be, it’s the VST Index slots that get mixed up, after a reload they’re all fine for now it’s a workaround but i’ll fix it.

                #2803
                Kidney05
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                  minimalist,
                  please let me know when you finish your panel. I’d be curious to try it since i haven’t had time to figure out my own yet.
                  thanks!

                  #2804
                  minimalist
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                    Thanks atom!

                    Kidney05, yeah I can do that. <img decoding=” title=”Smile” /> But I’ll need a while… On the other hand: why avoiding all the fun you could have by creating your own? It’s simple, the "manual" is in the first post. Or just copy & paste the components which are in the attachment I’ve uploaded… for futher parameter numbers just look inside the Tetra manual.

                    Do you want know why I will create the BEST Tetra editor EVER? No, not because I’m such a great person <img decoding=” title=”Wink” /> (I never would say/think this). No, the reason is: I’m creating a Tetra editor which perfectly fits to MY personal wishes/needs!
                    But, as I told: No problem when I’m ready I can share it.

                    #2805
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                      Tetra has hundreds of parameters, that’s the one i’ll definetly import to v5 from v4 cause i’ve spent a shit load of time on that.

                      #2806
                      Kidney05
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                        minimalist, I’ve set my device to DSI Tetra via USB in devices and it’s still not receiving messages. What do you do for this problem?
                        also, it seems to crash a bit when it receives midi messages too. no idea why though. i’m using the standalone.

                        #2807
                        Wren
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                          Minimalist I too have seen this issue too. But I assumed it was the "Multimode" and "Combo mode" of the Tetra that was buggy with OS 1.4. That would be great if all of the parameters could be setup for each voice on ctrlr. The Program of the Tetra with Multimode off works nicely.

                          Kidney, make sure you are in program mode on the Tetra, for the Ctrlr GUI Devices image tab, please set up for DSI Tetra for in and out. And also on your panel select the DSI Tetra for In and Out. I would just send you my panel, but first you would have to get this working, since the Panels don’t default to that setup (hopefully in time they can be exported to do just that.) You should receive message via the MIDI monitoring when you switch values. If that doesn’t work try exiting and starting the program again.

                          #2808
                          Kidney05
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                            Wren, the tetra is now responding. Thanks.
                            Where do I get the OS 1.4? i remember trying to update it but it said something about not working over USB?
                            Also, Wren, there are a ton of pages in the back with numbers. Which do you use for NRPN?

                            EDIT: nevermind i just might wait for yours if you don’t mind <img decoding=” title=”Smile” />

                            #2809
                            nrhyan
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                              Hi Kidney, to answer your question, in manuals’ Program Paramter Data table you’re see one columns labeled "A" for layer A and the other, column "B" for layer B(in the combo table columns 1,2,3,4 apply to the four voices/programs). If you’re making a control for layer A, you will put the value seen in the table in the panel component’s MIDI Controller Number" field. The values found in the range column go in the "Minimum Value" and "Maximum Value" field.

                              #2810
                              minimalist
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                                "atom":3jsomnaz wrote:
                                … that’s the one i’ll definetly import to v5 from v4 cause i’ve spent a shit load of time on that.[/quote:3jsomnaz]
                                Sorry for saying this, but then there is a lot of work again, because the Tetra editor needs a re-design. Did you heared about OS 1.3? Since this update many things changed (and this update was absolutely neccessary). Some parameters doesn’t exist anymore, some parameters are new, many value ranges (ig 0-254 instead of 0-127) changed and many NRPN messages doesn’t affect the parameters from OS 1.2.

                                Kidney, nrhyan and wren: Nice that there are more "Tetra-Ctrlr-designers" <img decoding=” title=”Very Happy” /> like me. There is one very annoing problem that I can’t solve on my own. nrhyan, it looks like (I’ve tried out your pannel) that you have the same problem.
                                The Tetra has many parameters which have a range from -127 to +127 (ig some "Amounts"). No problem just type 254 in the "maximum value" field of Ctrlr – as you (nrhyan) did aswell. Now if you control the Tetra via Ctrlr, it works fine. But the other direction, when you control Ctrlr via the Tetra…. you’re just able to make changes between value -127 and 0 (negative area). But if overstep the "O-boarder" (gaining the positive area) the value is always jumping back to -127 (negative area). It’s not possible to control the values between 0-127. Does anyone have a solution for this problem?

                                #2811
                                atom
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                                  That might be a NRPN lsb/msb bug i’ll look into that with my MOPHO.

                                  #2812
                                  Wren
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                                    Kidney, I’ve attached it zipped. Otherwise, to get the OS file for the Tetra, you need to be a member of the DSI forum and then download it from the Forum Post about Version 1.4. After unzipping, you’ll need to use the actual Tetra LE editor, connect the Tetra via USB, and update selecting the Tetra OS Update under the the Tetra LE menu options at the top left. You’ll see the Tetra display the update happening. All it really does is stabilize the 1.3 version. Which is still quite buggy in Combo mode. There are still alot of issues DSI should have fixed by now.

                                    #2813
                                    Wren
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                                      Attached is the last panel I did, which seems to work pretty well in Program Mode with Multimode off. Once the UiButton gets fixed I’ll be switching those UiToggleButtons, which don’t accurately portray which mode it is in. You’ll see in this panel when you click on the eight Toggle Buttons on the left, that it switched the program.

                                      I’ve figured out how to control the Ctrlr Sliders via Ableton Live Parameters that can be automated with the IAC driver input and output on, which is fantastic (awesome), and that means the Tetra could possibly be useful, and I might not return it. Now that I can change those, I need to see if I can then output those changes via NPRN with the Midi Out when I get home. So frequencies, voices, etc. could then be automated with just a New Lane in Ableton on the track! If this then could be used to automate the programs and tracks, then this Tetra has lots of potential thx to Ctrlr.

                                      Unfortunately, the Multimode and Combo mode has all sorts of issues and bugs. The dream would be to have those automated in a stable way through Ableton, and then you basically have something Analog that you could use live, that is way lighter than analog keyboards.

                                      #2814
                                      nrhyan
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                                        That is my dream. One of the biggest reasons why I choose to buy the Tetr4 was because it could be played multi timbrally. I like fiddling with my DAW, but just as much I like playing my synths as instruments. This journey we all are on is the journey known as "Redemption Road" <img decoding=” title=”Wink” />

                                        #2815
                                        atom
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                                          i fixed the NRPN issue and yes it was a bug. I’m also fighting to get the automation to work, but there is a bug in JUCE itself and i can’t get around it for now. I’ll let you know when i get more info on this.

                                          #2816
                                          nrhyan
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                                            "atom":6c9akmjj wrote:
                                            I’m also fighting to get the automation to work, but there is a bug in JUCE itself and i can’t get around it for now. I’ll let you know when i get more info on this.[/quote:6c9akmjj]
                                            thanks
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