October 31, 2015 at 8:44 am #61693
sorry if this is in a thread…
NB:would be nice to have ‘Search Topics’
how do i create tabs?
can i cut and paste all of my work up to a point
where i just copy/cut + paste into new tabbed pages?October 31, 2015 at 8:48 am #61694
sorry-that searchbar works 😉October 31, 2015 at 9:03 am #61696
ok, i’ve found it, and created something, no idea how it works yet.
i’m expecting it to be like a kind of container, that i put UI
object in. but don’t know what nxt.
i want to do something like the Jay-Vee panel, with 1 tab per
partial/part, and a tab at the top.
still confused by the many colour definition options,have
managed to give a transparnt tab BG, that’s abt it -continuing
invstigation…October 31, 2015 at 9:16 am #61697
a-ah ! >;)
sussed! > ‘add tab’ – duh….
so Add component>groups>UItab is the main function, and you
add tabs inside that,got it 😉
next,i want to put all the controls i’ve made into tabs
but 🙁 now i can’t select my objects…?
can’t create an object on a tab…
nope, don’t get this yet, i’ll get there.
any tips? runthrough?November 1, 2015 at 8:32 am #61753
ok, no,so i still haven’t sussed this out. i’dhoped
to be able to create objects in a tab, but hasn’t
happened yet. i’ll study the other thread on this.November 1, 2015 at 9:28 am #61762goodweatherParticipant
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Please look at my Ctrlr Step by Step Guide 1.2 (use Search or go to the News and Release area of the forum). I explained this a bit.
Best way to learn is to download panels using tabs. I looked at the Minitaur one for example.
Good luck…November 3, 2015 at 3:01 pm #61954
step by step docx? ok, i jst dl’d that.
and yes, i’ve dl’d a tabbed panel to look at, but
i’m just mssing around with it,learning to handle
objects. very useful though, making good progress.November 5, 2015 at 6:59 am #62076
hi, thanks for the step-by-step !
hey: how about converting it to pdf? > easier page browsing
or perhaps html, so you only need to click to go to the section
comment re: param names and # of characters:
>better to keep to shorter(8-char)abbreviations generally;
you can always signify by other semantic means, like having
a section header over a group of params. it’s a whole art in
itself, creating layout+ titles that are instantly recognisable.November 5, 2015 at 7:44 am #62082
ok, i’ve got that working. i’m not using images,
just onboard knob objects, for now.
but i think it works very oddly, and i misleading.
i had my tabs at a reduced size, and objects i tried
to make belong to group appeared out of sight. not ideal.
also: copy+paste is not working here as it hould right now:
does not paste into the tab! if i unclick/reclick (‘belong to
group’) it goes into the tab, but out of sight.
but ok, good!! thanks, now know how that works 🙂
can also do it with groups, but i’ll have to rtfm a bit more
ps, i do NOT want to join githubs or whatever that is called,
i don’t care about stuff like that, really don’t. i can provide
quality feedback here on this forum, but that’s it.
it wanted me to register, and all that rubbish, and i hardly
register @ jacksh*t these days.November 5, 2015 at 9:24 am #62089
ok !! ican put tabs within tabs -yesss..
NOW > can i select all items in a tab, and
copy them, say, to three other tabs? -changing
their IDs eventually? this is for knocking
out the general layout initially.
(soz, not #beingrude about signing up for stuff,
i just lose track, and then get junkmail in inbox,
all that…)November 5, 2015 at 12:46 pm #62095goodweatherParticipant
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you must have looked to the in DEV version of the step by step guide.
The released version is only in PDF.
It is at http://ctrlr.org/forums/topic/ctrlr-step-by-step-guide/
I’m now adding a few things to make a 1.3.
And I’m concentrating on my Sub37 panel (but need to do sysex dump reverse engineering / decode which is taking lot of evening time)…November 6, 2015 at 12:34 pm #62221
! ah. ok, thanks, hopefully more info there. has been a
great help so far.
– am now looking at groups, in the hope that i can move
things together, ie: a ADSR section, or a whole filter
section. and hopefully copy these, to save work+time.
-i have managed to get tabs-within-tabs (which makes sense,
if you think about it, space-saving on minor parameters, for
example) so i’m happy about that.
– but i’m having some unpredictable behaviour, with object/s
not following a group that i moved to into/ontoa tab. i think
there could be an issue here. i did it with copy with children,
and the object ‘jumped out’. i’m going to try this again.
– i do find it a shame that tree view re-expands itself after
you change to another ‘modulator’ (i don’t like this term, if
it applies to groups and tabs as well)
– i also think that names on param list could have Bold for the
important bit,when they all have same (prefix) – would make
visual recognition much easier/more immediate.
(gradually getting used to interface…)November 6, 2015 at 1:14 pm #62222
yeah here we go, did it again: (soz,will be a bit long)
-i copied my group with its 2 ‘kid’ faders, and that was ok.
but i forgot to rename all concerned (… 😉 )
and then, when i moved it, one of the children faders jumped out
(outta the car!) into the tab.
-went ‘undo’,twice, no more copied group, have to start again.
>would this happen if i had saved? mmmm
>SO: what about modulator name? in several places,we can name it:
>ok, looking at a tab-set (4 tabs)
-the tabs ‘set’,under ‘Modulator’, eg: name:’tabs’
-then we have ‘component generic’ -each tab has its visible name/header,
but ‘group’ is still blank, and ‘is group a member?’ is unticked
-no mention ofgroup under ‘component’
>with: the Group,now:
-the Modulator i called Fader Group, i now Fader Group-3
-beneath it, entries: ‘A custom modulator name, and A custom group name,
i have copied ‘Fader Group-3’, bcs i didn’t know what to put here..
-Q: what are these for? what should they be?
>with ‘Component Generic’
-group belongs to group: ‘tabs’ (as it should)
-??Owner Tab Index (aargh…i’m sure it makes sense, but..another?)
– and Owner Tab Name – isn’t this a repeat of member of group?!
>now:component…ah, thank g*d it isn’t there as well,lol 🙂
>so now looking at a child(of group,under a tab) knob
-custom modulator index group/ A custom group name >>???
>component generic: Fader Group-3
*NOW! i should modify this, right? otherwise, that is why it
jumps out. eg: always give new group name to copied elements?
this is tough, tbh. wish something happened automatically here.
-aw sh*t and now if i click on another object and back, i lose
the view i had set > really think it would be a big improvement
to make it keep view settings per object.
-what is a radio group? what is a bubble?
-ok, and then the owner params again.
>right so that’s it,so far; not easy, or immediate,to be frank !
and i wish the scroller did not scroll/screw up values by accident!
really needs ‘click-on’ to enable value-changing. can you imagine
debugging a large panel looking for something like that? would really
p*ss me off lolNovember 6, 2015 at 1:17 pm #62223
and i think ‘modulator’ is a confusing blanket term if
it covers ‘modulators’ AND UItabs AND Groups. plus it is
referred to in different places, with new# auto-attributed,
so that is #quiteconfusing for the newb’ such a mself.November 6, 2015 at 1:42 pm #62225
sorry, me again – right, here is the problm:
i have a knob on a (subtab) tab. i copy this,
and paste. it land on parent area.
i examine its group, it says ‘subtab'(same group as
knob it copies) – now i cannot drag it onto ‘subtab’.
and if i untick’group’ it goes back to main area.
i can bring to front and enter ‘tabs’ again and take
it onto ‘tabs’,but if i now change that back to
‘subtabs’ (2nd set of tabs,inside 1st tabset),
modulator vanishes -isit deleted? idon’t know. maybe
i have a pile of redundant modulator#s/copies hanging
around in the background…yup,i have a huge messy list
of modulators in Panel Modulator list, still have to
figure out how to get them back or delete, and what each
one is. so this could work a bit better ! 🙂
AAAH ::!!! ;oD ‘make visible on canvas’ -why didn’t you
just say so before lol?haha gtting there.
I WOULD SAY: IT WOULD BE NICE IF A NEWLY ADD-TO-TAB OBJECT
DIDN’T GO IN AT THE BOTTOM,OUT OF SIGHT.ahem…November 6, 2015 at 1:58 pm #62227
sussed. but not so simple.
and i would still like to find the easy way to copy+paste
stuff within a tab, like i’ve been doing in my edit of the
Jay-V panel without problem, (wdf…)
if in doubt, you just call: panel>modulator list, and make
vanished object show again.
so: now i can make subtabs within tabs, and copy into them
a group with children.but i’ve made a terrible mess in my
modulator list – moral ofthis tale is to name, rigourously,
everything you create, ‘at birth’ -but i still don’t know
distinction between diffrent types of name…(to be cont’d)November 6, 2015 at 7:46 pm #62244
OK..thanks, i’ve read last 1.2 version now.
i have worked out how important panel> modulator list>edit> make visible
on canvas is !
and i can copy a group with it ‘kids’ – children modulators.
> so this is how i think it should be done:
– you make your Group, define it, etc.
– then you put your modulators/sliders in there, do your ‘local layout’
and ‘lock position’ for all of them – you can unlock them when you want
– you can now ‘copy with children’ and paste. but it won’t go into the
tab you want immediately: you have to go to modulator list and make it
visible, and make it belong to the UItab you want, specifying OwnerIndex
…tbh, i’m still a bit unclear on a couple of things: at the top, you have
Modulator\custom modulator Index, and custom modulator Index Group…big wdf
there – but i’m going to start another panel from scratch and figure it out.
Atom’s evidently some mad scientist genius who doesn’t feel the need to
personally i’m not into coding anything, don’t know LUA from LUN, so i’m
not even going there.
gimme a shout when you post again, because i think some very good
explanation of the whole thing can be provided.November 6, 2015 at 8:15 pm #62248
*crash* :o) i crashed it… i had just added 4 (old) faders into a new
group, renamed their modulator names, and locked their position+size.
then i added the group to the UItab/index0(tab1) -but i was having trouble
moving whole group without hitting the faders. did this a couple of times
before getting ‘crtlr win32 has crashed’
i did have weird thing in my modulator list with overlapping modulator
details, so i figure i could have had shared modulator ID values or
something due to careless copying.
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