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  • #61693
    human fly
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    sorry if this is in a thread…
    NB:would be nice to have ‘Search Topics’
    newb question:

    how do i create tabs?
    can i cut and paste all of my work up to a point
    where i just copy/cut + paste into new tabbed pages?

    #61694
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    sorry-that searchbar works 😉

    #61696
    human fly
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    ok, i’ve found it, and created something, no idea how it works yet.
    i’m expecting it to be like a kind of container, that i put UI
    object in. but don’t know what nxt.

    i want to do something like the Jay-Vee panel, with 1 tab per
    partial/part, and a tab at the top.

    still confused by the many colour definition options,have
    managed to give a transparnt tab BG, that’s abt it -continuing
    invstigation…

    #61697
    human fly
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    a-ah ! >;)
    sussed! > ‘add tab’ – duh….

    so Add component>groups>UItab is the main function, and you
    add tabs inside that,got it 😉

    next,i want to put all the controls i’ve made into tabs

    but 🙁 now i can’t select my objects…?
    can’t create an object on a tab…
    nope, don’t get this yet, i’ll get there.
    any tips? runthrough?

    #61753
    human fly
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    ok, no,so i still haven’t sussed this out. i’dhoped
    to be able to create objects in a tab, but hasn’t
    happened yet. i’ll study the other thread on this.

    #61762
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    Hi!
    Please look at my Ctrlr Step by Step Guide 1.2 (use Search or go to the News and Release area of the forum). I explained this a bit.
    Best way to learn is to download panels using tabs. I looked at the Minitaur one for example.
    Good luck…

    #61954
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    step by step docx? ok, i jst dl’d that.

    and yes, i’ve dl’d a tabbed panel to look at, but
    i’m just mssing around with it,learning to handle
    objects. very useful though, making good progress.

    #62076
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    hi, thanks for the step-by-step !
    hey: how about converting it to pdf? > easier page browsing
    or perhaps html, so you only need to click to go to the section
    you want.
    ?

    comment re: param names and # of characters:
    >better to keep to shorter(8-char)abbreviations generally;
    you can always signify by other semantic means, like having
    a section header over a group of params. it’s a whole art in
    itself, creating layout+ titles that are instantly recognisable.

    #62082
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    update:
    ok, i’ve got that working. i’m not using images,
    just onboard knob objects, for now.

    but i think it works very oddly, and i misleading.
    i had my tabs at a reduced size, and objects i tried
    to make belong to group appeared out of sight. not ideal.

    also: copy+paste is not working here as it hould right now:
    does not paste into the tab! if i unclick/reclick (‘belong to
    group’) it goes into the tab, but out of sight.
    but ok, good!! thanks, now know how that works 🙂
    can also do it with groups, but i’ll have to rtfm a bit more
    for that.

    ps, i do NOT want to join githubs or whatever that is called,
    i don’t care about stuff like that, really don’t. i can provide
    quality feedback here on this forum, but that’s it.
    it wanted me to register, and all that rubbish, and i hardly
    register @ jacksh*t these days.

    #62089
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    ok !! ican put tabs within tabs -yesss..
    NOW > can i select all items in a tab, and
    copy them, say, to three other tabs? -changing
    their IDs eventually? this is for knocking
    out the general layout initially.
    (soz, not #beingrude about signing up for stuff,
    i just lose track, and then get junkmail in inbox,
    all that…)

    #62095
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    Hi,
    you must have looked to the in DEV version of the step by step guide.
    The released version is only in PDF.
    It is at http://ctrlr.org/forums/topic/ctrlr-step-by-step-guide/
    I’m now adding a few things to make a 1.3.
    And I’m concentrating on my Sub37 panel (but need to do sysex dump reverse engineering / decode which is taking lot of evening time)…

    #62221
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    ! ah. ok, thanks, hopefully more info there. has been a
    great help so far.

    – am now looking at groups, in the hope that i can move
    things together, ie: a ADSR section, or a whole filter
    section. and hopefully copy these, to save work+time.

    -i have managed to get tabs-within-tabs (which makes sense,
    if you think about it, space-saving on minor parameters, for
    example) so i’m happy about that.

    – but i’m having some unpredictable behaviour, with object/s
    not following a group that i moved to into/ontoa tab. i think
    there could be an issue here. i did it with copy with children,
    and the object ‘jumped out’. i’m going to try this again.

    – i do find it a shame that tree view re-expands itself after
    you change to another ‘modulator’ (i don’t like this term, if
    it applies to groups and tabs as well)

    – i also think that names on param list could have Bold for the
    important bit,when they all have same (prefix) – would make
    visual recognition much easier/more immediate.
    (gradually getting used to interface…)

    #62222
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    yeah here we go, did it again: (soz,will be a bit long)

    -i copied my group with its 2 ‘kid’ faders, and that was ok.
    but i forgot to rename all concerned (… 😉 )
    and then, when i moved it, one of the children faders jumped out
    (outta the car!) into the tab.
    -went ‘undo’,twice, no more copied group, have to start again.
    >would this happen if i had saved? mmmm

    >SO: what about modulator name? in several places,we can name it:
    >ok, looking at a tab-set (4 tabs)
    -the tabs ‘set’,under ‘Modulator’, eg: name:’tabs’
    -then we have ‘component generic’ -each tab has its visible name/header,
    but ‘group’ is still blank, and ‘is group a member?’ is unticked
    -no mention ofgroup under ‘component’
    >with: the Group,now:
    -the Modulator i called Fader Group, i now Fader Group-3
    -beneath it, entries: ‘A custom modulator name, and A custom group name,
    i have copied ‘Fader Group-3’, bcs i didn’t know what to put here..
    -Q: what are these for? what should they be?
    >with ‘Component Generic’
    -group belongs to group: ‘tabs’ (as it should)
    -??Owner Tab Index (aargh…i’m sure it makes sense, but..another?)
    – and Owner Tab Name – isn’t this a repeat of member of group?!
    >now:component…ah, thank g*d it isn’t there as well,lol 🙂
    ——————–
    >so now looking at a child(of group,under a tab) knob
    >modulator:
    -custom modulator index group/ A custom group name >>???
    >component generic: Fader Group-3
    *NOW! i should modify this, right? otherwise, that is why it
    jumps out. eg: always give new group name to copied elements?
    this is tough, tbh. wish something happened automatically here.
    -aw sh*t and now if i click on another object and back, i lose
    the view i had set > really think it would be a big improvement
    to make it keep view settings per object.
    -what is a radio group? what is a bubble?
    -ok, and then the owner params again.
    >right so that’s it,so far; not easy, or immediate,to be frank !
    and i wish the scroller did not scroll/screw up values by accident!
    really needs ‘click-on’ to enable value-changing. can you imagine
    debugging a large panel looking for something like that? would really
    p*ss me off lol

    #62223
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    and i think ‘modulator’ is a confusing blanket term if
    it covers ‘modulators’ AND UItabs AND Groups. plus it is
    referred to in different places, with new# auto-attributed,
    so that is #quiteconfusing for the newb’ such a mself.

    #62225
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    sorry, me again – right, here is the problm:
    i have a knob on a (subtab) tab. i copy this,
    and paste. it land on parent area.
    i examine its group, it says ‘subtab'(same group as
    knob it copies) – now i cannot drag it onto ‘subtab’.
    and if i untick’group’ it goes back to main area.
    i can bring to front and enter ‘tabs’ again and take
    it onto ‘tabs’,but if i now change that back to
    ‘subtabs’ (2nd set of tabs,inside 1st tabset),
    modulator vanishes -isit deleted? idon’t know. maybe
    i have a pile of redundant modulator#s/copies hanging
    around in the background…yup,i have a huge messy list
    of modulators in Panel Modulator list, still have to
    figure out how to get them back or delete, and what each
    one is. so this could work a bit better ! 🙂
    AAAH ::!!! ;oD ‘make visible on canvas’ -why didn’t you
    just say so before lol?haha gtting there.
    I WOULD SAY: IT WOULD BE NICE IF A NEWLY ADD-TO-TAB OBJECT
    DIDN’T GO IN AT THE BOTTOM,OUT OF SIGHT.ahem…

    #62227
    human fly
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    YESSSS.
    sussed. but not so simple.
    and i would still like to find the easy way to copy+paste
    stuff within a tab, like i’ve been doing in my edit of the
    Jay-V panel without problem, (wdf…)

    if in doubt, you just call: panel>modulator list, and make
    vanished object show again.

    so: now i can make subtabs within tabs, and copy into them
    a group with children.but i’ve made a terrible mess in my
    modulator list – moral ofthis tale is to name, rigourously,
    everything you create, ‘at birth’ -but i still don’t know
    distinction between diffrent types of name…(to be cont’d)

    #62244
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    OK..thanks, i’ve read last 1.2 version now.
    i have worked out how important panel> modulator list>edit> make visible
    on canvas is !

    and i can copy a group with it ‘kids’ – children modulators.

    > so this is how i think it should be done:
    – you make your Group, define it, etc.
    – then you put your modulators/sliders in there, do your ‘local layout’
    and ‘lock position’ for all of them – you can unlock them when you want
    changes.
    – you can now ‘copy with children’ and paste. but it won’t go into the
    tab you want immediately: you have to go to modulator list and make it
    visible, and make it belong to the UItab you want, specifying OwnerIndex
    …tbh, i’m still a bit unclear on a couple of things: at the top, you have
    Modulator\custom modulator Index, and custom modulator Index Group…big wdf
    there – but i’m going to start another panel from scratch and figure it out.
    Atom’s evidently some mad scientist genius who doesn’t feel the need to
    explain himself.
    personally i’m not into coding anything, don’t know LUA from LUN, so i’m
    not even going there.
    gimme a shout when you post again, because i think some very good
    explanation of the whole thing can be provided.

    #62248
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    *crash* :o) i crashed it… i had just added 4 (old) faders into a new
    group, renamed their modulator names, and locked their position+size.

    then i added the group to the UItab/index0(tab1) -but i was having trouble
    moving whole group without hitting the faders. did this a couple of times
    before getting ‘crtlr win32 has crashed’

    i did have weird thing in my modulator list with overlapping modulator
    details, so i figure i could have had shared modulator ID values or
    something due to careless copying.

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