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  • #61693
    human fly
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      sorry if this is in a thread…
      NB:would be nice to have ‘Search Topics’
      newb question:

      how do i create tabs?
      can i cut and paste all of my work up to a point
      where i just copy/cut + paste into new tabbed pages?

      #61694
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        sorry-that searchbar works 😉

        #61696
        human fly
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          ok, i’ve found it, and created something, no idea how it works yet.
          i’m expecting it to be like a kind of container, that i put UI
          object in. but don’t know what nxt.

          i want to do something like the Jay-Vee panel, with 1 tab per
          partial/part, and a tab at the top.

          still confused by the many colour definition options,have
          managed to give a transparnt tab BG, that’s abt it -continuing
          invstigation…

          #61697
          human fly
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            a-ah ! >;)
            sussed! > ‘add tab’ – duh….

            so Add component>groups>UItab is the main function, and you
            add tabs inside that,got it 😉

            next,i want to put all the controls i’ve made into tabs

            but 🙁 now i can’t select my objects…?
            can’t create an object on a tab…
            nope, don’t get this yet, i’ll get there.
            any tips? runthrough?

            #61753
            human fly
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              ok, no,so i still haven’t sussed this out. i’dhoped
              to be able to create objects in a tab, but hasn’t
              happened yet. i’ll study the other thread on this.

              #61762
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                Hi!
                Please look at my Ctrlr Step by Step Guide 1.2 (use Search or go to the News and Release area of the forum). I explained this a bit.
                Best way to learn is to download panels using tabs. I looked at the Minitaur one for example.
                Good luck…

                #61954
                human fly
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                  step by step docx? ok, i jst dl’d that.

                  and yes, i’ve dl’d a tabbed panel to look at, but
                  i’m just mssing around with it,learning to handle
                  objects. very useful though, making good progress.

                  #62076
                  human fly
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                    hi, thanks for the step-by-step !
                    hey: how about converting it to pdf? > easier page browsing
                    or perhaps html, so you only need to click to go to the section
                    you want.
                    ?

                    comment re: param names and # of characters:
                    >better to keep to shorter(8-char)abbreviations generally;
                    you can always signify by other semantic means, like having
                    a section header over a group of params. it’s a whole art in
                    itself, creating layout+ titles that are instantly recognisable.

                    #62082
                    human fly
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                      update:
                      ok, i’ve got that working. i’m not using images,
                      just onboard knob objects, for now.

                      but i think it works very oddly, and i misleading.
                      i had my tabs at a reduced size, and objects i tried
                      to make belong to group appeared out of sight. not ideal.

                      also: copy+paste is not working here as it hould right now:
                      does not paste into the tab! if i unclick/reclick (‘belong to
                      group’) it goes into the tab, but out of sight.
                      but ok, good!! thanks, now know how that works 🙂
                      can also do it with groups, but i’ll have to rtfm a bit more
                      for that.

                      ps, i do NOT want to join githubs or whatever that is called,
                      i don’t care about stuff like that, really don’t. i can provide
                      quality feedback here on this forum, but that’s it.
                      it wanted me to register, and all that rubbish, and i hardly
                      register @ jacksh*t these days.

                      #62089
                      human fly
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                        ok !! ican put tabs within tabs -yesss..
                        NOW > can i select all items in a tab, and
                        copy them, say, to three other tabs? -changing
                        their IDs eventually? this is for knocking
                        out the general layout initially.
                        (soz, not #beingrude about signing up for stuff,
                        i just lose track, and then get junkmail in inbox,
                        all that…)

                        #62095
                        goodweather
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                          Hi,
                          you must have looked to the in DEV version of the step by step guide.
                          The released version is only in PDF.
                          It is at http://ctrlr.org/forums/topic/ctrlr-step-by-step-guide/
                          I’m now adding a few things to make a 1.3.
                          And I’m concentrating on my Sub37 panel (but need to do sysex dump reverse engineering / decode which is taking lot of evening time)…

                          #62221
                          human fly
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                            ! ah. ok, thanks, hopefully more info there. has been a
                            great help so far.

                            – am now looking at groups, in the hope that i can move
                            things together, ie: a ADSR section, or a whole filter
                            section. and hopefully copy these, to save work+time.

                            -i have managed to get tabs-within-tabs (which makes sense,
                            if you think about it, space-saving on minor parameters, for
                            example) so i’m happy about that.

                            – but i’m having some unpredictable behaviour, with object/s
                            not following a group that i moved to into/ontoa tab. i think
                            there could be an issue here. i did it with copy with children,
                            and the object ‘jumped out’. i’m going to try this again.

                            – i do find it a shame that tree view re-expands itself after
                            you change to another ‘modulator’ (i don’t like this term, if
                            it applies to groups and tabs as well)

                            – i also think that names on param list could have Bold for the
                            important bit,when they all have same (prefix) – would make
                            visual recognition much easier/more immediate.
                            (gradually getting used to interface…)

                            #62222
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                              yeah here we go, did it again: (soz,will be a bit long)

                              -i copied my group with its 2 ‘kid’ faders, and that was ok.
                              but i forgot to rename all concerned (… 😉 )
                              and then, when i moved it, one of the children faders jumped out
                              (outta the car!) into the tab.
                              -went ‘undo’,twice, no more copied group, have to start again.
                              >would this happen if i had saved? mmmm

                              >SO: what about modulator name? in several places,we can name it:
                              >ok, looking at a tab-set (4 tabs)
                              -the tabs ‘set’,under ‘Modulator’, eg: name:’tabs’
                              -then we have ‘component generic’ -each tab has its visible name/header,
                              but ‘group’ is still blank, and ‘is group a member?’ is unticked
                              -no mention ofgroup under ‘component’
                              >with: the Group,now:
                              -the Modulator i called Fader Group, i now Fader Group-3
                              -beneath it, entries: ‘A custom modulator name, and A custom group name,
                              i have copied ‘Fader Group-3’, bcs i didn’t know what to put here..
                              -Q: what are these for? what should they be?
                              >with ‘Component Generic’
                              -group belongs to group: ‘tabs’ (as it should)
                              -??Owner Tab Index (aargh…i’m sure it makes sense, but..another?)
                              – and Owner Tab Name – isn’t this a repeat of member of group?!
                              >now:component…ah, thank g*d it isn’t there as well,lol 🙂
                              ——————–
                              >so now looking at a child(of group,under a tab) knob
                              >modulator:
                              -custom modulator index group/ A custom group name >>???
                              >component generic: Fader Group-3
                              *NOW! i should modify this, right? otherwise, that is why it
                              jumps out. eg: always give new group name to copied elements?
                              this is tough, tbh. wish something happened automatically here.
                              -aw sh*t and now if i click on another object and back, i lose
                              the view i had set > really think it would be a big improvement
                              to make it keep view settings per object.
                              -what is a radio group? what is a bubble?
                              -ok, and then the owner params again.
                              >right so that’s it,so far; not easy, or immediate,to be frank !
                              and i wish the scroller did not scroll/screw up values by accident!
                              really needs ‘click-on’ to enable value-changing. can you imagine
                              debugging a large panel looking for something like that? would really
                              p*ss me off lol

                              #62223
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                                and i think ‘modulator’ is a confusing blanket term if
                                it covers ‘modulators’ AND UItabs AND Groups. plus it is
                                referred to in different places, with new# auto-attributed,
                                so that is #quiteconfusing for the newb’ such a mself.

                                #62225
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                                  sorry, me again – right, here is the problm:
                                  i have a knob on a (subtab) tab. i copy this,
                                  and paste. it land on parent area.
                                  i examine its group, it says ‘subtab'(same group as
                                  knob it copies) – now i cannot drag it onto ‘subtab’.
                                  and if i untick’group’ it goes back to main area.
                                  i can bring to front and enter ‘tabs’ again and take
                                  it onto ‘tabs’,but if i now change that back to
                                  ‘subtabs’ (2nd set of tabs,inside 1st tabset),
                                  modulator vanishes -isit deleted? idon’t know. maybe
                                  i have a pile of redundant modulator#s/copies hanging
                                  around in the background…yup,i have a huge messy list
                                  of modulators in Panel Modulator list, still have to
                                  figure out how to get them back or delete, and what each
                                  one is. so this could work a bit better ! 🙂
                                  AAAH ::!!! ;oD ‘make visible on canvas’ -why didn’t you
                                  just say so before lol?haha gtting there.
                                  I WOULD SAY: IT WOULD BE NICE IF A NEWLY ADD-TO-TAB OBJECT
                                  DIDN’T GO IN AT THE BOTTOM,OUT OF SIGHT.ahem…

                                  #62227
                                  human fly
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                                    YESSSS.
                                    sussed. but not so simple.
                                    and i would still like to find the easy way to copy+paste
                                    stuff within a tab, like i’ve been doing in my edit of the
                                    Jay-V panel without problem, (wdf…)

                                    if in doubt, you just call: panel>modulator list, and make
                                    vanished object show again.

                                    so: now i can make subtabs within tabs, and copy into them
                                    a group with children.but i’ve made a terrible mess in my
                                    modulator list – moral ofthis tale is to name, rigourously,
                                    everything you create, ‘at birth’ -but i still don’t know
                                    distinction between diffrent types of name…(to be cont’d)

                                    #62244
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                                      OK..thanks, i’ve read last 1.2 version now.
                                      i have worked out how important panel> modulator list>edit> make visible
                                      on canvas is !

                                      and i can copy a group with it ‘kids’ – children modulators.

                                      > so this is how i think it should be done:
                                      – you make your Group, define it, etc.
                                      – then you put your modulators/sliders in there, do your ‘local layout’
                                      and ‘lock position’ for all of them – you can unlock them when you want
                                      changes.
                                      – you can now ‘copy with children’ and paste. but it won’t go into the
                                      tab you want immediately: you have to go to modulator list and make it
                                      visible, and make it belong to the UItab you want, specifying OwnerIndex
                                      …tbh, i’m still a bit unclear on a couple of things: at the top, you have
                                      Modulator\custom modulator Index, and custom modulator Index Group…big wdf
                                      there – but i’m going to start another panel from scratch and figure it out.
                                      Atom’s evidently some mad scientist genius who doesn’t feel the need to
                                      explain himself.
                                      personally i’m not into coding anything, don’t know LUA from LUN, so i’m
                                      not even going there.
                                      gimme a shout when you post again, because i think some very good
                                      explanation of the whole thing can be provided.

                                      #62248
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                                        *crash* :o) i crashed it… i had just added 4 (old) faders into a new
                                        group, renamed their modulator names, and locked their position+size.

                                        then i added the group to the UItab/index0(tab1) -but i was having trouble
                                        moving whole group without hitting the faders. did this a couple of times
                                        before getting ‘crtlr win32 has crashed’

                                        i did have weird thing in my modulator list with overlapping modulator
                                        details, so i figure i could have had shared modulator ID values or
                                        something due to careless copying.

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