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Cool!
yes, uwave is a good editor… But the biggest "problem" is that is’t not a plugin. Having to use separate programs, while working on a project, is not exactly my preferred workflow.
I’ve posted a new update of this panel to the Device Panels DDB – monstrumWave rev 2.20
minor compatibility update for latest stable release of ctrlr 934.
A few things to note:
I added an incremental program +/- button, I still like the large knob for jumping to a patch, but his combo button allows for more fine tuned program selection which I found myself wishing I had while using this panel a lot for sound design.I tweaked the placement of some of the components as it seemed some things drifted or enlarged (comboboxes, in particular) since I had last updated this panel to the latest rev or stable CTRLR.
I disabled the panel’s ability to retrieve the tempo setting of the program when you update the panel (hit the "update" button next to the program selector). In most cases for me, when I used this panel I didn’t want to update the tempo as it was being driven by something else. There is a button to the bottom right of the arp tempo to set the Arp’s tempo to sync to the clock of what’s being routed to the Microwave’s MIDI in, usually your DAW. I’m usually triggering this for the program if it isn’t already.
At the risk of over-explaining.. Similar to how the Arp tempo knob works in conjunction with the MIDI in button, the Wave startwave knobs and OSC pitchbend scale knobs all have a corresponding dropdown selector. Startwave uses the last three values (61-63) for triangle, square and saw, respectively. Setting this value through the dropdown sends the startwave knob to the corresponding selection as they both drive the same MIDI CC. Similar operation with the OSC pitchbend dropdowns except the two parameters under the dropdown for both Wave1 and Wave2’s startwave comboBox – global and harmonic use the first twovalues, (0,1). I explain this as I have just simply yet to implement logic that makes it visually obvious that these multiple components are altering the same CC. Example, if I sweep Wave1’s Startwave knob between CC values 0-60, I shouldn’t see "saw" displayed in the combobox. When I sweep Osc2’s pitchbendScale knob between 2-120 I shouldn’t see "harmonic" or "global" in OSC2’s pitchbendScale combobox. I probably could have solved this in less time than it took to explain
” title=”Neutral” />I’d love to hear feedback if this panel helps you or if you have any questions or problems with it’s operation. I’ve gotten a few emails but it seems people are generally pleased with this panel which is really cool. If you experience any bugs please let me know. I’ve used it quite extensively for the past year and I’m pretty sure any bugs are squashed but I’ve just recently translated this panel from an older rev of ctrlr and there might be some bugs still in the corners.
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Hi
” title=”Smile” />I’ve been testing it.
For some reason, when I use the plugin version in Nuendo 5.5 and I enable the midi ports I want to use I still can’t select them.. The only option remains is port3 on mtpav, which is your interface I think?
In the standalone version this does work.. I think this is a CTRLR problem and not a problem with your device? Maybe Atom can join in about this?I don’t think there is a library function build in (yet)? Otherwise I can’t seem to find it?
Other then that it’s looking very promising and I do get it to work in stand alone mode. (but I was hoping for the plugin functionality)
Another "bug" I think. When I press full-screen I can’t get it to "un-fullscreen" but when I close the editor window in Nuendo by pressing the "e" (for loading the vst GUI) and then pressing the e again to open it again, it’s not full screen anymore but Nuendo gives an error. I don’t think it can handle full screen vsts. This is also not a problem with your panel I think?
I’m on vacation for 2 weeks so I won’t be able to do more testing untill I get back.
Such a brilliant idea, I guess I can use this with my XTK as a VST within Ableton? Will have a look tomorrow.
Thanks for the feedback, jdieks and noisemonkey,
First – I don’t really use ableton much. I personally have been using this panel more as an assistant while designing sounds on the XT using the ctrlr stand-alone app, but yes it should work with the XTk, and yes it should work within ctrlr loaded into your favorite DAW. Please let me know the results using this panel w/ the XTk, especially in standalone mode. Any issues with using ctrlr as a plugin should probably be brought up in the other forum categories here.Please note, I haven’t done anything in this panel to address any changes made to ctrl since the last stable 934 rev.. I’d recommend using ctrlr 934 with this panel until I get to updating it to work with all the changes that have happened with the more recent nightly ctrlr revs (1060 and higher), jdieks, most of your questions refer to features from the recent nightly CTRLR releases.
"jdieks":fsvmng4v wrote:For some reason, when I use the plugin version in Nuendo 5.5 and I enable the midi ports I want to use I still can’t select them.. The only option remains is port3 on mtpav, which is your interface I think?
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In the main ctrlr toolbar, open the midi devices icon. It’s an icon that looks like a little PCIe card. This is where you can enable the MIDI ports which CTRLR will use to interact with this panel. THEN within this panel’s toolbar (just below the main tool bar) you [b:fsvmng4v]should [/b:fsvmng4v]be able to select [i:fsvmng4v]your[/i:fsvmng4v] corresponding MIDI interface. If you still don’t see your MIDI ports, enter edit mode of the panel then look on the panel properties at the right. You will see there a MIDI Input Device and MIDI Output Device. This is where you make your connections."jdieks":fsvmng4v wrote:I don’t think there is a library function build in (yet)? Otherwise I can’t seem to find it?
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nope. No library function, that’s not in the stable Ctrlr release. Once the next stable release of CTRLR is available with the program manager / library stuff in it, I’ll be releasing a version of the panel that has this worked in. You can however update all of the panel’s knobs, dropdowns based on the currently selected program on the actual XT by pressing the "update" button. This is great as it shows you exactly all of the current parameter settings on the synth, which is crucial if you want to use this panel as a serious sound design tool. This currently isn’t working properly with the latsest nightly releases, only the stable 934 Ctrlr release."jdieks":fsvmng4v wrote:Another "bug" I think. When I press full-screen I can’t get it to "un-fullscreen" but when I close the editor window in Nuendo by pressing the "e" (for loading the vst GUI) and then pressing the e again to open it again, it’s not full screen anymore but Nuendo gives an error. I don’t think it can handle full screen vsts. This is also not a problem with your panel I think?
[/quote:fsvmng4v]I’m not sure about in VST mode but to disable full screen in the Ctrlr stand-alone app, hit F11. It’s not at all obvious to the user yet how to exit full screen, which I imagine atom might be addressing soon, but again this feature is not in the latest stable CTRLR release.
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"msepsis":27dqp9tm wrote:Thanks for the feedback, jdieks and noisemonkey,
First – I don’t really use ableton much. I personally have been using this panel more as an assistant while designing sounds on the XT using the ctrlr stand-alone app, but yes it should work with the XTk, and yes it should work within ctrlr loaded into your favorite DAW. Please let me know the results using this panel w/ the XTk, especially in standalone mode. Any issues with using ctrlr as a plugin should probably be brought up in the other forum categories here.Please note, I haven’t done anything in this panel to address any changes made to ctrl since the last stable 934 rev.. I’d recommend using ctrlr 934 with this panel until I get to updating it to work with all the changes that have happened with the more recent nightly ctrlr revs (1060 and higher), jdieks, most of your questions refer to features from the recent nightly CTRLR releases.
[/quote:27dqp9tm]cool yeah. I’m learning my way around the XTK at the moment so will let you know how it goes
” title=”Smile” />here’s a preview of what I’ve got cookin for a 1067< version of this panel. It’s working nicely so far!
[img:20sd5xie]http://www.monstrumsepsis.com/stuff/mwave2-9.jpg[/img:20sd5xie]
Major updates:
[b:20sd5xie]Envelopes section completely redesigned. [/b:20sd5xie]
Amplifier and Filter envelopes now have vertical sliders (not knobs) and the Free and Wave Envelopes now can be controlled by a single point in an envelope to simultaneously set the level and time of the given section of the wave. This has been very cool to play with when sculpting sounds on the XT… it opens this thing up in new ways I didn’t have before! I’m also working out now a visual cue as to where you have the sustain (key on) and release (key off) loops set.
I’ll probably then add a layer that allows you to swap in knobs for all of the envelopes, but the envelopes are just so nice.[b:20sd5xie]Arpeggiator – it’s alive![/b:20sd5xie]
I’ve finally got all the logic in place so you can program the user arpeggiator patterns from the panel. Also, when you select a preset arp pattern from the drop down, the user programmable steps update. I’m forking off a rev where if you don’t need to select "user" from the comboBox to then be able to customize the arp pattern.It’s been a lot of fun to work on this again and get it updated to the current nightly. I’ll get around to posting this soon after I test and clean up the gui a bit. you can tell things are a little out of line. etc.
I do have a lot of plans to expand on this to allow wave editing and other things, but this stuff first!
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Below is a full screen snapshot of the upcoming monstrumWave 2.5! (right click the image to see it in full resolution)
Primarily just waiting for some ctrlr bug fixes, etc. We’ve got contextual opacity fades depending on current parameter settings, fully functional graphic arpeggiator control, current patch name displayed in "LCD screen" and handfuls of other usability enhancements.
Using the microwave XT/II without this panel is like trying to play a piano in the living room through the front door’s mail slot. Yes even soundtower’s editor is pale in comparison, besides this runs natively in os x, windows [b:1fjrx5u1]and[/b:1fjrx5u1] linux.
Far too much obsessive compulsive work has gone into this. I may charge a small amount (sizable percentage will go straight back to atom) for the full version of this when it’s ready. Just a heads up. I’ll still upload a freebie here that will be limited to some capacity but I plan to fully support all questions/concerns etc of both the free and non-free versions. I’ve already made headway on the monster that will be monstrumWave 3.0 – multimode support (arpeggiator X10!), Global Parameter control, wavetable editor and expanded modMatrix with "learn" mode where you can assign any parameters to the the axis of an X/Y modulator by simply clicking them. all in due time
” title=”Smile” />[img:1fjrx5u1]http://www.monstrummedia.com/images/2.49RC.png[/img:1fjrx5u1]
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excellent!
I will happily pay for this panel. I am really glad to hear you are planning multi-mode support in 3 (especially as a lucky owner of the 30 voice version) Just a knob that changes which instrument the panel is controlling would be handy so we can create a panel per track for each instrument. It will be interesting to see how you implement it.
Thanks for the verbal support, stoecklem. I’ll keep you in mind when it comes to beta test, my XT is only 10 voice. What I’d give for a black 30 voice XT!
Right off the bat can you tell me with the 30 voice expansion are you able to actually have 30 parts playing simultaneously? If so, how is the XT able to get around the 16 channel limitation of the single MIDI IN/OUT ports? Does the expansion actually give you two additional MIDI I/O ports? I was never able to find/afford an expansion since I bought my XT in 2000 so I never tempted myself with the details.
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yeah.. the xt is definitely my favorite synth even though it’s orange.
no… nothing that complex. Its exactly the same, still has 8 instruments. you just have three times more voices to work with.
I believe in both the microwave and xt there is a midi channel byte that determines which instrument is being controlled. You need to use sysex instead of CC like you can for a single sound.I haven’t had much time recently to finish even my first panel, but I got about five basic panels slowly being built right now when i have time. hopefully I’ll get at least the super simple SQ-80 finished soon. I’ve been using tabs for the different instruments in multimode. Its been cumbersome to get the completed panel on one tab copied over to another so I can just go in and change the midi channel byte, so I’ve just been adding a few depending on the synth and polyphony. I’m sure there is a better way.
I’ll have to look and see how far I got on the microwave, I can send it to you if you think it will save you time, although I’m sure you’ll use a lot of LUA stuff. Hopefully someday I’ll dive into that a little more.. you can learn a lot from looking at the code in yours and others panels.
"stoecklem":3ihl3cug wrote:no… nothing that complex. Its exactly the same, still has 8 instruments. you just have three times more voices to work with…
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That’s what I thought. Yeah it’s not hard to run out of polyphony w/ the 10 voice."stoecklem":3ihl3cug wrote:I’ll have to look and see how far I got on the microwave, I can send it to you if you think it will save you time, although I’m sure you’ll use a lot of LUA stuff. Hopefully someday I’ll dive into that a little more.. you can learn a lot from looking at the code in yours and others panels.[/quote:3ihl3cug]
awh thanks! I’m glad the stuff I’ve put up has been helpful. Its a cool language (Lua), reminds me a lot of actionscript from when i did a lot of flash stuff. If you’d like to send over what you’ve got for the microwaveI I that’d be cool. I grabbed a manual at some point last year.. I believe I still have it somewhere but if you have any of the MIDI/Sysex info besides what’s over in the thread let me know. I’ve been trying to find a microwave 1 to buy, the only one on ebay at the moment has been hanging around for months (asking 2k?! for it because it belonged to some Canadian synth player I’ve never heard of)Monstrum Media | Music, Sound & Software Design, Chicago / San Francisco listen
I do have the soundtower editor and unisyn which i got to help me convert into ctrlr panels. When i get a chance ill try
to post more sysex for the microwave in that thread. For multimode, velocity and key range, and whatever else I findI’ve also got a 30 voice XTK. It’s a beast. Can’t wait for the next release
” title=”Smile” />It’s final! It’s released! [b:26j2dfp3]get monstrumWave 2.5 here
>[url:26j2dfp3]http://www.monstrummedia.com[/url:26j2dfp3]![/b:26j2dfp3]Monstrum Media | Music, Sound & Software Design, Chicago / San Francisco listen
uploaded the current beta to the device panel database.
MASSIVE update!The fully featured monstrumWave 2.5 will be available soon at: [url:b69muvam]http://www.monstrummedia.com[/url:b69muvam]
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New Features since 2.2:Compatible with nightly CTRLR revs 1100<
*Arpeggiator can now be edited in user mode!!
*Fully interactive visual envelope editors for free and wave envelope!!
Program Name now displays on-screen in the mock XT LCD screen!!
MIDI in from synth LED indicator on panel, LCD contrast control
Dozens of new dynamic components which appear only when available for current parameter settings (Distortion Effect Amp Type, Filter 1 Wave, etc)
"Parameter Link" allows linking of Osc1 and Osc2 parameters as well as Wave1 and Wave2. Can also simultaneously link Osc/Wave parameters and modulation.
"Init All" button initializes all sliders and selector boxes from max to min value.
Double click any knob/slider to reset value.DEMO RESTRICTIONS:
no sysex dumps to/from synth
no MultiMode
tweaking wave and free envelopes only sends to synth from knobs*Know this:
— This revision is limited to Device ID 0. Synth must be set to this ID for successful communication between the panel and synth.
— Attempting to edit preset arpeggiator pattern on red LED step buttons will change the arp mode automatically to "User" mode. After the blue User LED arp step buttons appear you may edit the arpeggiator steps.
— Some quirkyness will be noticed when dragging points on Free & Wave envelopes
Current quick fix is to double click the envelope to redraw. "Quirkyness" does not effect the values being sent to the synth.
–Effect parameters (p1, p2, p3) may slide out of range when switching between effect types and adjusting p1-3 due to waldorf bug.
Current quick fix is to set effects drop down to "off", then back to desired effect.INSTALLATION:
****This beta release of monstrumWave requires you download and install the latest build of ctrlr for your operating system.
****The latest ctrlr builds are hosted at http://www.ctrlr.org, under the "Downloads" page.
Save the monstrumWaveBeta.bpanelz to a desired location on your hard drive.
Install Ctrlr following the installation notes currently on the ctrlr download page -> page.php?p=downloads
Pay special attention to your os’s approprate VST/AU path when installing ctrlr.Using monstrumWave
Either Open ctrlr in standalone mode (recommended) or open your favorite DAW, then load a ctrlr vst instance.
In vst mode, you must enter the panel properties (red "HAL" icon in tool bar or right click>panel properties) and adjust the MIDI settings properly.
Recommended settings: enable "Accept MIDI from Host", "MIDI Input goes to Comparator" and "Output MIDI to Host".Set the MIDI I/O Devices appropriately. MIDI Devices are selected in the toolbar at the top. Leftmost selection box is the Input Device and channel. Output Device and channel is set to the right.
You should be able to take off running from here if you have things set right.
If you are not familiar with ctrlr, I recomend spending some time looking through the forums at http://www.ctrlr.org to get a feel for things.
please report any issues/bugs/suggestions right here!
enjoy!!!
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New ctrlr nightly (1099) resets all modulators to "NoCurser"
” title=”Sad” /> I’ll try to change all the modulators but it seems the new nightly also get reeeeally sluggish when attempting to select modulators in edit mode either by selecting them in the panel or in the modulator list. Hopefully there will be another ctrlr nightly soon that addresses this issue.Follow up:
Just updated the device panels ddb with a rev that works right with the latest nightly 1099.yet another follow up:
Updated the panel again to version 2.498. major fixes to accommodate for Juce changes implemented in the recent 1100 ctrlr nightly.Monstrum Media | Music, Sound & Software Design, Chicago / San Francisco listen
Yeah the mouse cursors, and the sluggish selection are not my fault, it’s JUCE changes i need to work around, i already posted a bug with the selection beeing slow, Jules promised to fix that, once the fix is in i’ll rebuild the latest nightly with the latest JUCE. The MouseCursor is a big tricky cause JUCE changed the number that defines NormalCursor, that used to be "1" now "1" stands for "NoCursor" and "2" is NormalCursor, Jules appended a new "ParentCursor" with value 0 and that moved everything around, you can write a simple LOOP in LUA that goes through all your components and sets that property to "2" and you’ll have your NormalCursor back.
no problem, atom. I figured it was all related to the Juce updates and got at least this panel updated in the ddb so that when you mouseover a modulator the mouse doesn’t vanish. Since 1100 selecting modulators doesn’t slow ctrlr to a crawl like it did w/ 1099.
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