[llatham]

I think I’m going to just start from scratch based on this size panel.

I forgot I had started by putting two spaces where it said “Modulator 1” and put another name on there. I appreciate you going through all that trouble to fix them!

The Lua stuff is probably beyond me.

I think you’re talking about the layers to fix this right?

I hope if I can stick with the Tabs, combos, and components, and I’ll be OK if I start off at the right size.

[llatham]

Ha ha – I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought 7 then!

Can you take a look at my question on panel size when you get a chance please.

Cheers!

[llatham]

dnaldoog wrote:

Hi llatham,

Did (6-modulatorValue)+61 work ??

It did! Thanks!!!

I’m trying to understand why this works.

61 – 62 – 63 – 64 – 65 – 66 – 67 are my values.

But it’s basically sending 0 – 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 6

So adding 61 to those makes them the numbers needed.

6-0 = 6 + 61 = 67 – so now the 0 value is the highest value of 67.

6-1 = 5 = 66

6-2 = 4 = 65

6-3 = 3 = 64

6-4 = 2 = 63

6-5 = 1 = 62

6-6 = 0 = 61

My brain wants to tell me that It should be 7 because there are 7 units, but it’s clear the math works out here.

So is it consistent that if I had 12 values, I’d have to use an 11 as the prefix to get it to work – a number 1 less than the number of values?

[llatham]

Tedjuh wrote:

Voila!!

Thanks. I found that, but unfortunately there aren’t tips like “whatever you do, don’t resize your panel” – if I’ve made that mistake! 🙂

So I probably should have done this:

1. Started not zoomed in or out.

2. Put in Tabs first.

3. Put in Combos next.

4. Put components into the Combos, in order of design layout (so the VST and modulator indices might be better numbered).

5. Copied and pasted all the SysEx strings into the modulator list and make the necessary changes as I go (or you could do it in the Panel as the fields will say in the same place as you click each component).

[llatham]

dnaldoog wrote:

Hi llatham,

That should do the trick!

Regards,

It DID!

Is there a way to invert it? It “ascends” as you go down the menu – which for Presets and things like that that’s the normal way. Since it’s an 8ve Shift it would be cool if the “+1 octave” was above the mid-point.

So right now I have it:

-3
-2
-1
0
+1
+2
+3

which is OK but it’d be cool to have:

+3
+2
+1
0
-1
-2
-3

for this one.

If there’s no way or it’s really complex it’s OK the way it is.

Thanks for all your help! I feel like I’m pestering you guys to death and I’m trying to learn…all this stuff is pretty new to me – I’ve learned CC and SysEx messages before but the best I could do was figure out the offsets and what numbers I needed to put in based on Roland’s manuals (which could be clearer…).

Best
Steve

[llatham]

Yeah the 3 partials are essentially handled separately from each other, so I’d like a Tab for each.

I saw one of your posts about a “rant” about Manuals – I’ve looked through what documentation I could find but things are very scant.

I see how to create a Tab – great – but I don’t know what to do with it once I create it.

EDIT: I actually figured it out – I saw “labels” and grabbed that component until I went back and found the Tabs one – it actually works pretty well. See my PM to you – I’m worried about the re-sizing!

I feel like I’m pestering you guys to death but it seems like there are only 2 regular visitors who know what they’re doing.

I feel like I’ve pretty much got the Panel done as I want it.

I just can’t get a few things to work:

1. The Octave Shift thing I think I mentioned to you in the private message (maybe you’ve responded already and I didn’t see it yet though).

EDIT: Dnldoog helped with this – got it working right now, but asked them if it’s possible to invert the values so the higher octave actually appears first in the menu.

2. The Wave Type for PCM – I think that’s probably going to be beyond me so I may just leave it to the end user to pick the Type on their keyboard – it’s hard enough to scroll through 16k items on screen anyway so it may be for the best. I can at least give them a gain control for it though.

3. I set up a pull-down menu to choose the MFX types and it works, but for some reason some of them drop drastically in volume which they don’t do when switching them manually on the keyboard. I had planned just to use an on/off for it anyway, but the MFX is stored with a tone so it would be nice for someone to pick one and use at least the default settings (I definitely don’t want to get into programming all the parameters because they’re all different – Level on one is in a different spot than Level on another one and so on – so you can’t really just map a control – the controls would have to change based on the effect chosen…so On/Off will maybe have to be enough!). NOTE: this is probably an issue in the keyboard itself.

4. This is something in the Synth I think – there’s a Pulse Width, but then there’s also a Pulse Width Shift – it’s in a totally different category (under like the Mod LF0). When I use the Pulse Width knob everything is fine. When I use the Shift one it works too, but once I use it the PW is disabled – so something about the way these two interact is funky. I’m just going to delete the Shift one because it’s a “pro edit” feature and not even on the basic editing screen. I plan to look in the Roland Manual to see if I can figure out what it does and why it might disable the other one once you use it…

Argghh. I was going to add an image so you could see it, but I opened it, something was misaligned, I dragged it and it popped out of place, put it back in place and saved as I always do every time I make a change (!) and it totally deleted one of my groups. Now I have to go back and recreate that entire group. A whole afternoon lost.

EDIT: Fixed all that. What a PITA. Saved TWO backup copies this time…

Best,
Steve

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[llatham]

Hi,

I got it all working – except 1 thing – and I think I know why:

I have an “Octave Shift button. I’d like to use uiCombo for this too (currently inc/dec).

It has 7 values but it runs from 61 – 67 and I think that’s the issue – all of the other ones start at 0 and go 0-1, or 0-9, and so on and they work fine.

I don’t see anywhere to set any kind of offset (and I tried various parameters to no avail).

Help 🙂

[llatham]

It totally worked just like I expected it to originally! I don’t know what was happening – I think I was trying to replace the existing control with the uiCombo, but when I did, I ended up deslecting it so I wasn’t seeing the right fields in the RH panel!

Got it working now, thanks!

Scratch that – now it’s taking like 1 second for every parameter to change. I pull up my old panel and it works fine, now when I made these changes it takes a litttle while for it to make changes on any element. Just because I changed two things from Inc/Dec to uiCombos?

EDIT: I changed the global delay on MIDI messages to 0 and it works as it did before. Not sure how that got changed but maybe I accidentally dragged across it…

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dnaldoog wrote:

Hi llatham,

For instructions on how to export as standalone or AU in macOS see here!
ctrlr.org/roland-jd990-super-editor/

Regards,

It actually seems to have worked! Except that the size displayed is only the upper left corner and there’s no way to scroll around or resize that I can see. I’ll have to figure that out.

Here is an update of the panel. I’ve gotten everything in the SN-S Partial 1 to work and am generally happy with the layout, though at the last minute I added Reverb and Chorus send and moved the MFX switch, bu there are chorus, reverb, and mfx types I could add in with rotary knobs (or inc/dec buttons) to go through options.

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[llatham]

>You are right. The different partials just need a different “offset”. So it’s easy to assign all the modulators for another partial when you have one partial done. But That’s just achieved by copy and paste. There’s no macro way of handling it, unfortunately.

The more I thought about it, the more I think I need a separate “page” or “panel” for each Partial anyway, so I’m just going to go through the modulator list and change all those 20s to 21s and 22s manually. Shouldn’t take to long once I get Partial 1 done and organized like I want it.

>Duplicate panels. Might work. But isn’t easier for the end-user to put it all in one panel?

One thing I don’t understand is the size…I guess the end user could load up a Partial 1, 2, and 3 panel and just have them all up on screen to switch between.

It seems like it would be super huge and you’d have to scroll around a lot on screen to get to everything you want, so a huge panel you can’t see all of seems kind of bad…but if that’s the only way I can do it…I guess I could make one, zoom way out, copy and paste the others, and then an end user can just zoom what they need to.

Or I could use the Global value method but I’d have to go in and edit all those 20s to be K1 or something – doesn’t seem to be the best way to do it.

For the AU and Logic or reaper questions, can’t help you with that. Windows user here. There’s a mac in the house here somewhere but it’s occupied by my Gf.

Have you made a VST for it? Or is it always basically just opening up the program within your DAW and running it like the Standalone? I was thinking maybe there was a way to turn it into a VST or other plug in type that would be the only thing the end user needed – and they wouldn’t have to do all the editing or loading of panels, etc…

I learned how do to Groups and add a little color (do you know where there’s a chart with the color codes?) so I think I’m going to do a little more visual design tonight – the values stand out better on the page with the grey background.

Thanks again!

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[llatham]

Thanks. I’m going to try this later but it makes sense.

I’ll want to make a toggle that has 3 states – Partial 1, Partial 2, and Partial 3.

The value I need to change is P1 = 20 to 21, then 22 for the other 2 respectively.

I’m thinking now though that I need to do these on separate pages with identical layouts – because the positions of all the knobs and sliders aren’t going to represent the Partial you switch to, only the one you’re currently editing. So if you set up everything in Partial 1, then toggle to Partial 2 and change settings, when you go back to Partial 1 you’ll still be seeing the control elements in the positions they were for what you just did in Partial 2.

So having them on separate “pages” or “tabs” will accomplish that – I can use the toggle button to select the Partial, but maybe disable it or allow it to be switched but put a warning message there!

I don’t think I’m ready for more heavy-duty programming than that!

What I want to accomplish is 2 main things:

1. Create a panel like I have to control each of the Partials. This global message will help me do that I think – just got to figure out the best way to implement it.

2. I’ve got one long message that has like 16k choices – so not your usual 0-127, so I need to see if I can get that to work.

3. If I can get all that done, it’d be nice to have some way to have a “display” for parameters with multiple options – like I have an Inc/Dec to go through wave shapes of Saw, Square, Sine, etc. It would be nice to have a “readout” as to which one was selected.

4. Figure out if it can be made into an AU component (and maybe VST) that other people can download and install (for free) so they can control these things on their FA series synths to at least be able to edit the Supernatural Synth tones.

Thanks!

[llatham]

Here’s another update of what I’ve accomplished.

I have all of the parameters of the SN-S Partial block mapped except for Wave Gain, Wave Number (and that’s the TRICKY one!), HPF Cutofff, and Modulation LFO Control.

All those except Wave Number are easy, I just haven’t gotten to them yet.

I also found out to edit Partial 2, I just need to change 1 number before the number I’ve been changing to do all this (from 20 to 21 IIRC). I tried it on one control and it worked perfectly.

But before I go making a copy and another panel just like this I’m hoping there’s a “macro” way to have everything I’ve done be able to just change that one number in the SysEx string to make it work.

Otherwise I’ll be making a duplicate panel – which might not be bad so one can see the changes they’ve made on separate pages.

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Hi Tedjuh,

I got a lot done tonight and it’s all working save for a few things I just haven’t put in yet.

I actually just opened the AU in Logic and realized it’s basically the same thing, so I could edit in the – I did command E and I had already turned off my synth but it looked like it all ran OK.

Very neat.

Screenshot included.

The only things I couldn’t get to work were the Partial Select – but I think this is because all those SysEx messages are for Partial 1 only. There’s a different number in the Partial 2 and 3 messages I think. So I can manually select the Partial I want to edit, but the controls only affect Partial 1.

I think I’d have to build a duplicate tab and change all the numbers. I’m sure there’s an easier way but I’m not ready for that yet.

There’s also the Supernatural Synth Misc. category that I haven’t tried as the offset is different but it’s not something I think you’d really need anyway.

There are a few SysEx messages in the manual that are only on the “Pro Edit” pages, but I included most of those and they all work.

The only thing I didn’t see was there’s an option to set the Portamento to Chromatic instead of gliss, but I’m thinking I might be able to record that message into the internal Sequencer and then see what the numbers are…

Now all I have to do is figure out how to make it into an actual AU Component someone else could download and install and try.

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Thanks. I actually got quite a bit done.

I guess before I get too far, once I get this done, can I turn it into an AU Component (or VST) or something like that that’ll run as a Standalone or within a DAW like Logic or Reaper?

Logic’s way of picking patches is kind of funky (the MIDI Environment) and it would be cool if it were a plug in to be able to pick patches as well.

If not, I guess end users would have to use Ctrlr program on their own computer and load this up?

Yeah – one of things for the Supernatural Synths is a “common” settings and Partial Select things and they’re under a different category (different offset). So I may need help with that.

I was able to get those to work on my Roland but I can’t find the darn book I made with all the offsets organized! But I do have SysEx message for them still in the A-Pro app so I can feed them into Ctrlr and probably get darn close – only if the checksum thing is different or something.

Thanks again!

[llatham]

It WORKED!

You had one too many pairs of zeros at the beginning but once I deleted those it worked fine!

Thanks!!!

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