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    jhn
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    Brilliant website! I’ve been looking for ages for something to easily control my Ensoniq DP4 & DPPro and Eventide H3000. Just something as a remote control from within my DAW to access the common and hidden parameters without clicking through a zillion menu’s.

    If you need anything let me know…

    Johan

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    A link to a midi manual would be nice, i saw a manual for the DP4 but it’s unclear to me how to control the unit in real time.

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    jhn
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    https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~dattorro/DP4_manual.pdf

    The implementation chart is on page 169, but I think it might be though as each effect has different parameters.

    Some inspiration;
    http://www.squest.com/Windows/Instrumen … index.html

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    jhn
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    I found somebody who’s doing a similar project for the Mackie C4 midi controller;
    [url:14p9yjx2]http://mapage.noos.fr/michael.rosner/C4DESIGN/Mackie%20Control%20C4%20TrueLayouts%20Design.html[/url:14p9yjx2]

    He’s working on layouts for old hardware synths and fx and I was thinking that maybe you could work together or exchange information about midi specs and xml’s.

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    this Mackie thing is hardware based, the C4 is a hardware midi controller (a very nice one). Looks nice for those that have this hardware. And it’s not free 25$/50$ for each, that’s expensive.

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    darkdistractions
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    there is already a vst existing for the DP4:
    http://www.squest.com/Windows/Instrumen … index.html
    they support also lots of vintage synths
    it’s not free though

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    yeah it’s soundquest midi software, quite a large database of gear. i hate the look and feel though hand people are saying that it’s buggy.

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    darkdistractions
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    request for a ctrlr for the DP2 also if possible, that would be great
    the midi chart is probably not far from the DP4’s one
    tell me if you need specific doc
    probably not too much users though, so if you don’t have time , that’s ok, i will survive!!

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    I need some sort of midi specs to do any Ctrlr, if it’s all CCs then it’s a few hours work and it’s not a problem if the midi stuff is more complex or there is a lot of parameters (more then 100) then it takes some time.

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    darkdistractions
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    here is a link to the DP2 midi spec/
    http://web.archive.org/web/200501291249 … 2ref_d.pdf
    it’s in german but the midi chart seems to be in english
    if not enough, i’ll find some more

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    The problem is there is no clear specification. There is a list of CCs but they are listed in a Generic Midi way and this table does not give any specifics. There are also two LSB/MSB values so i don’t know how to interpret this (is NRPN/RPN used?)

    Perhaps there is an already existing editor i could look at and reverse engineer it ?

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    There is a working editor, and a very good one imo, i have it here, for OS9. It’s made by Rob Martin in 1998. I don’t know if it is usefull to you, but here’s the link and all..

    http://www.humanworldwide.com/jim/data/DP4Editor.sit

    You need OS9 with OMS for it and your DP/4 needs OS 1.15…

    I also have the password you need to use the software, mail me if you can use al this..

    I hope there will be a good and free editor for OS X someday <img src=” title=”Razz” />
    [img:21adogdy]http://www.synthforum.nl/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60460&stc=1&d=1278685109[/img:21adogdy]

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    I wouldn’t know how to start that (i don’t think i want to know <img src=” title=”Smile” />) i’m not a MAC fan, i’ll have a look at the manual and go from there.

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    I wouldn’t know how to start that (i don’t think i want to know <img src=” title=”Smile” />) i’m not a MAC fan, i’ll have a look at the manual and go from there.

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    Maybe i can help in same way.. The only thing you can do get some info out of this editor is installing it, or am i wrong..

    Then you need a Mac (powerpc) with OS9 (9.2.2 is the newest version)with OMS 2.3.8 installed, a DP/4 with OS 1.15, a OMS compatible midi interface wich is directly connected with the ins and outs of the DP. So thats a lot… I bought an old mac and midi interface, specially for this editor, because there isn’t a better alternative at the moment and i hate working trough all those menu’s..

    So if you can make a controller for the DP/4 as nice as this piece of software for OS X, that would be nice..

    If there is something i can do to find the data you need for this, I can help..

    Maybe you or me can mail the maker of the old piece of software, Rob Martin, if he has any data on the Ensoniq… I can try if you want..

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    well the biggest problem is the ppc mac stuff, i don’t have any <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    all i have is a PC with hackint0sh installed (iAtkos) so it’s a no-go if the author can offer any additional resources, maybe some of it can be re-used and a editor would be easy to write.

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    I support this request. I have had DP4 and DP4+ as well as another Ensoniq products like EPS16+, ASR10 and ASR-X.

    Loved effects in those samplers so i ended up buying DP4’s while ago. What i did not like when working with them was integration with daw. CC-message support is for most common parameters only so it is not an option. If controlling every parameter from DAW is requested SYSEX strings must be used.

    AFAIK DP2 has exactly same functions as DP4, it’s just half of the DP4 and was targeted for those who have not money to buy bigger brother but needed those fx. I guess when DP4 editor is ready some beautiful day, that only needs different device ID’s to control DP2 or DP4+.
    DP Pro was clearly different machine. Newer stuff inside.. . .

    BTW. There is also other ppl. searching DP4 editor who does not know about this CTRLR site yet. I bet that this editor might get pretty popular..
    http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho … ?t=1668066

    Suggestion to all DP owners who have working commercial editor for it: How about recording those SYSEX strings for each effect parameter and create that sought after MIDI SYSEX documentation from scratch?

    Manual says clearly that it does not come with it, it must be asked from Ensoniq. :roll:
    http://a.33e.biz/ensoniq/Ensoniq-manual … x-info.png
    And that abbendix:
    http://a.33e.biz/ensoniq/Ensoniq-manual … pendix.png

    In that acapella.harmony-central forum thread starter said that he was hunting that SYSEX documentation from everywhere without luck.

    –edit–

    MOTU was in business at the same time as Ensoniq and their UNISYN editor supports DP’s.
    http://www.motu.com/products/software/u … files.html

    UNISYN had also PC versions before latest upgrades. I have that prog. and DP profiles for it but as i sold my DP4 i am not eager to spend more time with this.. . Like checking each parameters SYSEX string. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    #1432

    jhn
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    I have found a DP4 controller download for the peavey PC1600X; http://www.peavey.com/support/software/ … resets.cfm
    Maybe it can be used to extract some sysex information to control the dp4?

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    elsquirrel
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    Any problems setting it up jhn?

    I have dp/4 arriving soon and plan to try and set it up with a kenton midi controller. From what I read on the yahoo group, soundquest doesn’t work very well with the dp4.
    Where you able to find an alternative? I have a 16-page sysex/midi implementation manual (not sure if its complete) and will try to program the dp4 / kenton when it arrives.

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    dnigrin
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    I have the full DP4 MIDI/Sysex Implementation Specification. It’s "Appendix A" to the original manual. It’s 40 pages long,and very complete. This is a pretty complex Sysex implementation – I believe it will be challenging! I’ll scan it at work on Monday, and post….

    I’m also the person behind the Peavey PC1600x pages at http://defectiverecords.com/pc1600/pc1600.html – the DP4/DP2 implementation that comes with the stock patch that comes with the device is basic – it only controls volume/mix status of the 4 effects units in the DP4, and some generic controls with each effect. It’s nowhere near as complete as Rob Martin’s old OS9 editor….

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