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I am taking another look at this again because of how well I was able to get my Supernova 2 set up thanks to Ctrlr. Someone built an amazing Ctrlr panel for that synth (it is the digital workhorse counterpart to my A6) and I don’t think integration could be any better than it is (now that I learned how to increase the VST parameters exported to be larger than 64 default value…).
So there are a few approaches. I am hassling Ableton to add NRPN support but I understand that it conflicts with regular CC usability of CC control numbers that are otherwise usable for regular 7-bit messages. It could be possible for them to enable as a switch.
Anyhow we are in luck because for Ableton Live 10, at least Sysex is now supported. So here is what I’m thinking:
1. Build the 1-way CTRLR panel to send Sysex to A6 for all supported parameters first. In this way it can already work similar to how I have my Supernova set up together with an Akai APC40:
a) If all the parameters get exported in the VST, they are available for assignment to Ableton macros (up to 64, but I guess it is enough for automation purposes as long as you can access all of them)
b) The A6 panel cannot be recorded in this limited setup (yet), but it can of course play itself in local mode, and be controlled fully from either the Ctrlr panel or any control surfaced mapped to it
2. See if it is possible to get a feature to synchronize the panel state by requesting a sysex dump of the current patch (if A6 doesn’t acknowledge sysex request, we could still sync state by manually saving to sysex from the panel). If the Supernova 2 person could get this to work, I’m sure we could too.
3. Finally, we will have to see if we can get front panel input from the Andromeda to work. I feel confident this would be fine for all the DAWs except Ableton… so during stages 1 and 2 I will try and keep putting pressure on them to add NRPN support (that process is already started ;))
Ideally once they have enabled it, we can add 2-way support for NRPN as it would be far too complicated to record NRPN but send back out Sysex I think. So by the end of this, maybe there is the option to send data out as either NRPN or Sysex (but never both? although I hear the person who made the iPad editor uses a combination of both)
Just brainstorming here, but I am determined to get this project off the ground. I have a lot of experience with GUIs and JUCER so the front end design shouldn’t take so long compared to untangling the Sysex/NRPN mess, especially for Ableton.
I also just learned that because Andromeda only sends NRPN from the front panel and not sysex, it will have to be all-NRPN if we’re going to have a 2-way sync.
I’m not sure if anyone who would know the answer would read this question if posed here, but, one of the main reasons I’m leaning away from Ctrlr towards Max is because I don’t see any way that incoming/outgoing control parameters can be automated within the DAW when a Ctrlr panel is built for a VST, am I just missing something obvious?
@guigeek it is not at all impossible it’s just a very large project. Have you seen the Andromeda editor for iPad?
http://www.matrixsynth.com/2013/05/tb-midi-stuff-andromeda-editor-v1-now.htmlI am going to take a shot at this but not decided if I’ll use Ctrlr or something else like MaxMSP. I love the Ctrlr panel for my Supernovas but I want something that will let me automate whatever parameters I feel like in a DAW, and I’m hoping to get something to work with Ableton Live. I’m annoyed because I just found out they are enabling Sysex for Live 10 but not fixing NRPN.
So it might be possible to do a Ctrlr panel with Sysex but since the Andromeda only sends out NRPN from it’s panel I can’t do what I want that way.
