Roland JX-3P with KiwiTechnics modification

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  • #9314
    Jinsai
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    Sharing with the community.

    I can’t seem to post this on the full site.

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    #9316
    atom
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    Have you tried the tutorial on how to upload your panel ? http://ctrlr.org/uploading-a-new-panel/

    #9317
    Jinsai
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    It didn’t work for me… but I will try again later.

    #9459
    lfo2vco
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    Hi There,

    Could this panel be simplified to work with a standard JX-3P?

    I’m new to this and sorry if my question is really dumb. I’m hoping to obtain one soon and I am looking for an alternative to the PG-200.

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #9495
    lfo2vco
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    Back again,

    Have the JX-3P now and it’s extremely easy to program from the from panel. So please ignore the above question.

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #11029
    lfo2vco
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    Back yet again,

    I have modified Jinsai’s panel slightly and have attached it in case anyone is interested. I cannot take credit for anything other than some cosmetic and layout changes.

    I have also increased the overall dimensions. Works very nicely with the Kiwi-3P. Many thanks to Jinsai for doing all the hard work.

    CHECK TOTALLY REVISED PANEL NOW AVAILABLE IN DOWNLOADS

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    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #15647
    lfo2vco
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    OK this panel has been totally overhauled now. All the CC messages have been replaced with Sysex, also the panel responds to messages from the Kiwi-3P.

    I have introduced Load Patch, Save Patch, Save As Patch, Rename Patch and Initialise Patch functions. There is also a feature to save and load patches to and from disk as Sysex files.

    Quick demo movie here:

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #16469
    lfo2vco
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    OK the panel is now in Downloads, have fun all you Kiwi-3P owners!

    Kiwi-3P Editor

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #33526
    upeter
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    this panel looks very promissing. What do you mean by: ” also the panel responds to messages from the Kiwi-3P.” ?

    Is it possible to refresh the panel such that it sets the control according to what value they have on the 3p? I control the 3p with the kiwi patch editor. But to save everything in my DAW it would be convenient to use the panel. After I changed some parameters with the patch editor, how can I refresh the panel?

    #33626
    upeter
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    ok… I get it know. When I load a new patch, the panel is refreshed.

    But the workflow is not very nice. When I edit a patch using my controller then I have to store the patch (manually on the JX3P) first and then load again, in order to refresh the panel. When I use the panel to store the patch, then my changes will be lost, since it seems that it only saves the configuration displayed by the panel but not the actual configuration of the synth.

    Is there a way to change the panel, such that it reacts on the controller? Is this even possible in ctrlr?

    #33730
    lfo2vco
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    Hi Upeter,

    I am glad that you are finding some use for the panel even though you have a Kiwi Editor.

    The panel updates the parameter settings on receipt of an Edit Buffer message from the Kiwi-3P. At various places in the panels scripts a command to send an Edit Buffer request are written in, such as when a new patch is selected.

    The request is the Sysex message: f0 7f 7f 7f 60 01 00 03 f7

    Indeed when parameter settings on the panel are saved to the Kiwi-3P these are gathered from the various knobs and compiled in to another Sysex dump that is sent to the Kiwi-3P, so you setting in the Kiwi’s Edit Buffer are overwritten.

    I can see two possible solutions:
    1) Add a button on the panel that sends only the Edit Buffer request above, when pushed this should update the panel to the Kiwi-3P’s current Buffer state.
    2) Add a function to the Kiwi Editor that also sends the Edit Buffer request to the Kiwi-3P. I imagine that it is possible to alter the stored templates.

    I hope this is of assistance and good luck.

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #33733
    upeter
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    Thank you for your help lfo2vco!
    This brilliant panel made my workflow with the JX3P much better!

    I think both workarounds would do it!

    However, I have a theoretical question. Since it is ctrlr who reads the messages from my controller and sends them to the synth, and since the messages are the same than the ones the panel generates, shouldn’t it be possible that the panel is updated when I change a parameter on the patch editor, without sending an edit buffer request? Is this in theory possible with ctrlr? I think this would also make it possible to record automations in a DAW. Wouldn’t it?

    #33739
    lfo2vco
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    Not sure if that can be done if the panel parameters are controlled via Sysex, maybe if they are controlled by CC?

    Jinsai (Anu Kirk’s) original panel on which mine is based, is at the top of this thread. He used MIDI CC for the parameters, download it and see if the knobs respond to your Kiwi Editor on his panel.

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

    #33801
    upeter
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    Thanks! I’ll try that!

    #33802
    upeter
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    another question: the lower part of the panel (assigning functions to the mod wheel). Is that supposed to work? Because when I klick on Cut off, nothing happens…

    #34760
    upeter
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    Another question: It seems that no all the parameters can be automated in ableton live. For example OCS Pitch can be but Filter Cut off can not.
    Is this a bug in the panel or in ctrlr?

    #34936
    lfo2vco
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    Hi, sorry I have not used the panel as a VST and do not have Ableton, so it could be either or just an incompatibility issue.

    Here is some noise I organised into an acceptable format:
    https://soundcloud.com/lfo2vco/a-dark-crystal

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