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    human fly
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      would it not be a good thing to have such functions dealt with
      in an onboard library? very offputting for average user to
      re-invent the wheel all the time :O)

      i’m no coder for instance, and find it frustrating to have to
      face Lua/LUA -whatever that stands for, i’m acronym-saturated, too,
      i speak basic UK english, know what i mean..- for many of what
      seem to me ought to be standard onboard functions.

      i like the UI but i’m finding some things a bit heavy. i haven’t
      got a lifetime for this.(! i don’t mean that in a cocky way haha
      i’m just pretty average in terms of skills)
      ;o)

      • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by human fly.
      in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62437
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        OK – soi’m back to where i was with my fine structure 🙂
        it’s a 4x tabs set with an identical group in each.
        >i’m going to have to go through and change ‘Name’ in order to
        differentiate in ‘Modulator List’
        >but i’m pretty sure this is where i screwed things up last night,
        editing Group names, and such. some confusion also with automatic
        updating of Owner entry

        so that brings up something i saw about modulators and components
        being different things – and i’m looking at it now:

        -Link to what type of property: modulator/component
        >i realise i don’t know what any of these parameters are about,
        and skipped something (nor any of the params right down to MIDI !)
        >i just created a UIslider by going Add *component* (ah..), and
        decided not to use a custom graphic, and have copied that as
        many times as needed (for a time+level envelope control UI)
        >so i didn’t pay too much attention to these, as i was focused on
        building a tabs structure with repeating parameter groups on each
        tab, for each of the 4 partials.

        -So, starting fresh, i add to main page area a new component,
        UIslider, and get a blue knob, called+referred to as ‘modulator'(…)
        >nb: i’ve done this 3x now,deleting eacn time,and it is up to
        ‘modulator-3’, although i already have in the panel (in groups on tabs)
        18+ existing ‘modulators’/components created/copied previously.
        ALL have been re-named for easy identification in Modulator List view,
        so maybe: A/ it just grabs 1st available modulator#, or B/starts again
        after a versioned Save?

        > ‘Owner..’ >owner TAB ! so it refers to Tabs, ok.

        i thought i was doing well, but i realise i still don’t know what a lot
        of these entries are for. it is a pretty hardcore way to view all this
        info !! ( -and i can’t really see myself using bubble/popup dialogs at
        this stage, don’t much like them anyway)
        >i’m not entering MIDI sysex messages yet, i’d like to sort out layout,
        and do that afterwards.
        >VST Index: can i enter these at will myself? is there a 255 limit for this?
        >’custom modulator Index’? what’s that all this?
        i’ll have to figure out all the link stuff later. i just want to rebuild
        the structure safely at this stage. -and i realise i’m not sure how ‘layer’
        ties in, either(bit of a learning curve in progress..)

        in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62400
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          oh mate… well, that’s a start, anyway !!
          tag it as Critical Emergency or something lol.

          *nightmare* here: so i could not uninstall, it hangs, windows *and* ctrlr
          uninstall…then i just deleted the directory, and was able to reinstall
          previous version i had, and it wouldn’t run, again.
          > so yeah, you got it, and i thought it had to be something like this.
          have not been able to try yet,i’ll let you know how i get on.
          >no indication of this anywhere, as you say, and i think i’ve logged above
          where i was at with screwing up my file anyway.
          >some confusion, i would say, with the way Ctrlr tracks what belongs to what?
          good in the main, but i was surprised that different viewings of same
          ‘component’ (eg: ‘modulator’) offer a different param list !?
          ie: 1,short vertical fader had the Owner entry, but a load of different
          size ones, i couldn’t find it (it was 3am, but i did look carefully)
          and another (modulator) had Owner appear above the entry it was beneath
          for the other one – weird. you seen that? i’ll show it if get it back up.

          in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62393
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            yup..big problem there..i can look at the panel in Notepad,
            so i guess i could spend a long time finding a point i could
            start deleting from, to the end, but i could screw it up also.

            so i’m moving all files produced to s’where safe, uninstall, re-install,
            and i’ll see what i can do from there.

            (i think some way back in would be nice at this point, like an
            editable config.ini, so that user could disable pre-load and
            get at preferences) (i did some good work last night, and got
            a layout nailed…)

            • This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by human fly.
            in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62388
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              right, so i’ve screwed up the tabs probably. how do i fix
              a file so it will load? or force ctrlr to clear its last project
              load? can’t even open it, no access.
              enough for tonight…

              in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62387
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                -thisis bad: Ctrlr no longer starts. crashes on load, locked out.
                i’ve just lost a load of work then, have to revert if i can, by
                renaming last version, if that works.
                damn, i was nearly finished with entire structure.

                in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62386
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                  – it was maybe Owner Tab Index, which doesn’t seem tofollow
                  automatically after group copy.
                  – if found something odd: horizontal fader, and knob have this entry
                  but it isn’t showing for SOME verticalfaders – the slim ADSR ones,
                  with 0-127 range. other vert’ faders,smaller with 0-4 do have it, but
                  it appears in reverse order in the list..mystery. will reload.

                  in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62368
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                    it’s done it again. after i copied group into the other tabss
                    and re-named all objects carefully,#’d per tab.
                    this is a bug.
                    or i’ve confused an index -but i want useful unique modulator
                    names,and it shouldn’t matter.

                    more cleaning up and re-saving…

                    oh noooo…they were the objects from tab3. i hope it hasn’t
                    autosaved.. maybe i screwed up Owner Group?
                    b*ll*x, it did…autosave > OFF !!!
                    ————
                    OK, fixed. that wasn’t too bad, just recopied and renamed
                    group from other tab,ok now. have to check VST #s etc. but
                    i should have useful unique names in Modulator List.
                    —————–
                    i want some osc on/off buttons(4) to appear on all tabs,
                    and do the same thing, and be synchronised, so that they
                    have the same state whichever panel is shown. thought i
                    could do it by assigning common #to each one but it
                    doesn’t seem to be working.

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                    in reply to: Moog Sub37 panel #62367
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                      have a read-up on sysex dumps generally:

                      i read that if you specify an address and send more than one value, the
                      extra values will go to next consecutive address.

                      so, off the top of my head – i’ve never considered sticking my head into
                      a bulk dump file – you may find that your bulk dump is data sent to the
                      first parameter address in the parameter list, with values then cascading
                      onto following addresses.
                      ? just an idea, like i said.

                      how does Ctrlr retrieve a patch onto a panel? isn’t that a function it has?

                      in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62366
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                        edit>go to last post>

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                        in reply to: UI: New User Comments Nov2015 #62279
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                          in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62248
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                            *crash* :o) i crashed it… i had just added 4 (old) faders into a new
                            group, renamed their modulator names, and locked their position+size.

                            then i added the group to the UItab/index0(tab1) -but i was having trouble
                            moving whole group without hitting the faders. did this a couple of times
                            before getting ‘crtlr win32 has crashed’

                            i did have weird thing in my modulator list with overlapping modulator
                            details, so i figure i could have had shared modulator ID values or
                            something due to careless copying.

                            in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62244
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                              OK..thanks, i’ve read last 1.2 version now.
                              i have worked out how important panel> modulator list>edit> make visible
                              on canvas is !

                              and i can copy a group with it ‘kids’ – children modulators.

                              > so this is how i think it should be done:
                              – you make your Group, define it, etc.
                              – then you put your modulators/sliders in there, do your ‘local layout’
                              and ‘lock position’ for all of them – you can unlock them when you want
                              changes.
                              – you can now ‘copy with children’ and paste. but it won’t go into the
                              tab you want immediately: you have to go to modulator list and make it
                              visible, and make it belong to the UItab you want, specifying OwnerIndex
                              …tbh, i’m still a bit unclear on a couple of things: at the top, you have
                              Modulator\custom modulator Index, and custom modulator Index Group…big wdf
                              there – but i’m going to start another panel from scratch and figure it out.
                              Atom’s evidently some mad scientist genius who doesn’t feel the need to
                              explain himself.
                              personally i’m not into coding anything, don’t know LUA from LUN, so i’m
                              not even going there.
                              gimme a shout when you post again, because i think some very good
                              explanation of the whole thing can be provided.

                              in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62227
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                                YESSSS.
                                sussed. but not so simple.
                                and i would still like to find the easy way to copy+paste
                                stuff within a tab, like i’ve been doing in my edit of the
                                Jay-V panel without problem, (wdf…)

                                if in doubt, you just call: panel>modulator list, and make
                                vanished object show again.

                                so: now i can make subtabs within tabs, and copy into them
                                a group with children.but i’ve made a terrible mess in my
                                modulator list – moral ofthis tale is to name, rigourously,
                                everything you create, ‘at birth’ -but i still don’t know
                                distinction between diffrent types of name…(to be cont’d)

                                in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62225
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                                  sorry, me again – right, here is the problm:
                                  i have a knob on a (subtab) tab. i copy this,
                                  and paste. it land on parent area.
                                  i examine its group, it says ‘subtab'(same group as
                                  knob it copies) – now i cannot drag it onto ‘subtab’.
                                  and if i untick’group’ it goes back to main area.
                                  i can bring to front and enter ‘tabs’ again and take
                                  it onto ‘tabs’,but if i now change that back to
                                  ‘subtabs’ (2nd set of tabs,inside 1st tabset),
                                  modulator vanishes -isit deleted? idon’t know. maybe
                                  i have a pile of redundant modulator#s/copies hanging
                                  around in the background…yup,i have a huge messy list
                                  of modulators in Panel Modulator list, still have to
                                  figure out how to get them back or delete, and what each
                                  one is. so this could work a bit better ! 🙂
                                  AAAH ::!!! ;oD ‘make visible on canvas’ -why didn’t you
                                  just say so before lol?haha gtting there.
                                  I WOULD SAY: IT WOULD BE NICE IF A NEWLY ADD-TO-TAB OBJECT
                                  DIDN’T GO IN AT THE BOTTOM,OUT OF SIGHT.ahem…

                                  in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62223
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                                    and i think ‘modulator’ is a confusing blanket term if
                                    it covers ‘modulators’ AND UItabs AND Groups. plus it is
                                    referred to in different places, with new# auto-attributed,
                                    so that is #quiteconfusing for the newb’ such a mself.

                                    in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62222
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                                      yeah here we go, did it again: (soz,will be a bit long)

                                      -i copied my group with its 2 ‘kid’ faders, and that was ok.
                                      but i forgot to rename all concerned (… 😉 )
                                      and then, when i moved it, one of the children faders jumped out
                                      (outta the car!) into the tab.
                                      -went ‘undo’,twice, no more copied group, have to start again.
                                      >would this happen if i had saved? mmmm

                                      >SO: what about modulator name? in several places,we can name it:
                                      >ok, looking at a tab-set (4 tabs)
                                      -the tabs ‘set’,under ‘Modulator’, eg: name:’tabs’
                                      -then we have ‘component generic’ -each tab has its visible name/header,
                                      but ‘group’ is still blank, and ‘is group a member?’ is unticked
                                      -no mention ofgroup under ‘component’
                                      >with: the Group,now:
                                      -the Modulator i called Fader Group, i now Fader Group-3
                                      -beneath it, entries: ‘A custom modulator name, and A custom group name,
                                      i have copied ‘Fader Group-3’, bcs i didn’t know what to put here..
                                      -Q: what are these for? what should they be?
                                      >with ‘Component Generic’
                                      -group belongs to group: ‘tabs’ (as it should)
                                      -??Owner Tab Index (aargh…i’m sure it makes sense, but..another?)
                                      – and Owner Tab Name – isn’t this a repeat of member of group?!
                                      >now:component…ah, thank g*d it isn’t there as well,lol 🙂
                                      ——————–
                                      >so now looking at a child(of group,under a tab) knob
                                      >modulator:
                                      -custom modulator index group/ A custom group name >>???
                                      >component generic: Fader Group-3
                                      *NOW! i should modify this, right? otherwise, that is why it
                                      jumps out. eg: always give new group name to copied elements?
                                      this is tough, tbh. wish something happened automatically here.
                                      -aw sh*t and now if i click on another object and back, i lose
                                      the view i had set > really think it would be a big improvement
                                      to make it keep view settings per object.
                                      -what is a radio group? what is a bubble?
                                      -ok, and then the owner params again.
                                      >right so that’s it,so far; not easy, or immediate,to be frank !
                                      and i wish the scroller did not scroll/screw up values by accident!
                                      really needs ‘click-on’ to enable value-changing. can you imagine
                                      debugging a large panel looking for something like that? would really
                                      p*ss me off lol

                                      in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62221
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                                        ! ah. ok, thanks, hopefully more info there. has been a
                                        great help so far.

                                        – am now looking at groups, in the hope that i can move
                                        things together, ie: a ADSR section, or a whole filter
                                        section. and hopefully copy these, to save work+time.

                                        -i have managed to get tabs-within-tabs (which makes sense,
                                        if you think about it, space-saving on minor parameters, for
                                        example) so i’m happy about that.

                                        – but i’m having some unpredictable behaviour, with object/s
                                        not following a group that i moved to into/ontoa tab. i think
                                        there could be an issue here. i did it with copy with children,
                                        and the object ‘jumped out’. i’m going to try this again.

                                        – i do find it a shame that tree view re-expands itself after
                                        you change to another ‘modulator’ (i don’t like this term, if
                                        it applies to groups and tabs as well)

                                        – i also think that names on param list could have Bold for the
                                        important bit,when they all have same (prefix) – would make
                                        visual recognition much easier/more immediate.
                                        (gradually getting used to interface…)

                                        in reply to: Disappearing current tab name #62220
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                                          i have this problem right now with disappearing Group name.
                                          Not found cause although i’ve looked at all possibilities
                                          i can see. maybe if i untick/retick, or re-open ctrlr?

                                          in reply to: tabs? how do i create them? #62089
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                                            ok !! ican put tabs within tabs -yesss..
                                            NOW > can i select all items in a tab, and
                                            copy them, say, to three other tabs? -changing
                                            their IDs eventually? this is for knocking
                                            out the general layout initially.
                                            (soz, not #beingrude about signing up for stuff,
                                            i just lose track, and then get junkmail in inbox,
                                            all that…)

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