September 12, 2020 at 12:53 am #119750
I used to use a panel with ctrlr which had the sole purpose of receiving my midi dumps and allowing me to send them as well. as far as i remember it had simply two buttons, one for send and one for receive or some similar configuration.
I used this in DAW’s that do not have sysex recording and it was really neat and useful, does anybody know where I can find this panel? I cant even remember its name but I think it was something like sys.panel or whatever the extension may have been.
Can this perhaps be done with any panel with any synth as this one was not manuafacturer or model specific? I have browsed both the new panels and the deprecated panels but I am not very good at navigating websites so if anyone knows where I can find it please lead the way.
I really loved this panel 🙁September 12, 2020 at 1:01 am #119751
sorry, seems I found it after all.
This panel could be improved as ive just realised it dosnt seem to know when i want the midi recording to stop and assumes that I want only one message received when I am trying to do an arrangement dump from the virus TI (not a sysex expert but i think theres a stop message at the end of a string and this is what is stopping the recording). very useful for one patch at a time but frustrating to do up to 16 instances of the panel for each part on multi-timbral setups.
September 12, 2020 at 10:58 am #119758
- This reply was modified 1 week, 1 day ago by Synthtoast.
I thought that was an interesting idea, so I put together a quick panel to do that.
If it works, let me know and I might refine it and release it as a panel.
This panel automatically receives any sysex messages and those messages can then be saved to PC and resent to the machine.
Regards,September 12, 2020 at 1:11 pm #119762
You just made my day, will be testing this tonight and leaving feedback. Looks perfect. I’ve always been more interested in total recall features of ctrlr than the actual control aspect. For me and others like me this is all we need.September 12, 2020 at 2:00 pm #119764
I think I forgot to attach the actual panel though! (Should be there now!)
🤔September 12, 2020 at 2:12 pm #119765goodweatherParticipant
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Great job dnaldoog.
Don’t need that myself but thx for the Ctrlr community!September 12, 2020 at 2:44 pm #119767
Thanks Goodweather! ‘😊
Here’s another one that includes an extra dump request field for synths that require a sysex request message be sent. Version 1.1 alphaSeptember 13, 2020 at 2:20 am #119783
Okay so this is exactly what I had in mind, I can send and receive all 16 parts to the panel without issue as a bulk dump. excellent!
Is it perhaps an easy possibility to make the entire sysex message stay in the panels buffer so that when one closes and reopens their DAW project the sysex is maintained and ready to send again?
This would make the saving file to pc and reopening the file almost completely unnecesary and it is what the original older panel I was using used would do with the single string. I love the idea of my hardware patches being contained inside the DAW project file, the same as would be the case with traditionally recording a dump to a midi track and saving your project for working on at a later time without any need to save extra files alongside the DAW project file.
I imagine the workflow as such: finish your work for the day, so you do a bulk dump, save your project and everything is ready for the next time you load your project up again, all you would need to do is manually do an initial send from the panel, no need to locate files etc.September 13, 2020 at 1:18 pm #119787
This is a new version that should now be able to save sysex across sessions!
September 15, 2020 at 1:01 am #119802
Havnt had a chance to test but I’m sure it works. Just want to say thanks again as this will be getting much use in the future.September 15, 2020 at 9:59 am #119808
Here is another refinement to the previous panel. I realised you really need to be able to switch recording off, otherwise any subsequent Sysex will keep getting added to the dump/snapshot you want to save, so this version has a record/stop button.
Let me know if this one works well and I will probably release it as a panel. I haven’t fully fully tested it and it is getting more complex code-wise, which means problems could start creeping in.
Of course this panel should be used with Windows 5.3.201 and presumably MacOS 5.3.198
JohnSeptember 15, 2020 at 11:18 am #119810
Busy with some things in another thread/ post so I can’t tell whether it’s working or not. But I see the opportunities for my own panel. Never got around saving Sysex to the pc but it’s more clear now looking at the LUA code. Is it possible to enhance the panel to load Sysex from a file from the pc as well, to upload it to the synth? I should be able to overcome the limited number of presets then.
Great work!!September 15, 2020 at 12:27 pm #119811
Well this panel can open a .syx file, which can then be uploaded. So yes, it can both save and load to/from file. That’s the LOAD SYSEX TO PANEL button – maybe that could be re-worded?
September 15, 2020 at 1:35 pm #119813samohtParticipant
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Congratulations for this panel!
A good idea and nice code, not only to use but also to study, thanks to your willingness to share your code with us!
I’ve tried out the dump request mode on an old Roland synth.
This synth dumps his 64 ‘patches’ in eighty chunks, each with a header (8 bytes), a checksum and EOX (2 bytes) and 128 data bytes in between (so a total of 80×138 = 11040 bytes, but only 128×80 = 10240 data bytes)
Using your panel, dump request and write to pc is working without any flaws on linux (dump = 11040 bytes).
Sending this ‘patches’ back to this Roland needs, at least for this synth, somewhat improvements, since every chunk has its own header with his own address and checksum.
So the panel could be further improved by providing a separate field (of course with associated lua code) where the number and length of the chunks could be entered, so they could each be sent separately.
September 15, 2020 at 2:50 pm #119816
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Thanks Thomas for the nice compliment.
Well the problem there as I see it, is as soon as you start implementing too many customisation options, it is taking away from the simplicity of the original idea. I know that a Roland JD-990 dump is sent back exactly the same and the OP’s (Synthtoast’s) synth too. That’s the beauty of it; I don’t even know what synth he’s running these dump requests on; but … if you wanted to customise it for that Roland (Which model is it? I take it your Roland unit changes its header and therefore checksum when re-uploading?) then this would offer a good template and we all know how complex stuff gets as you start introducing more options to a panel. Stuff starts breaking everywhere. This one is on the border of that, but still simple enough I suppose!September 15, 2020 at 3:19 pm #119819
I must buy a new pair of glasses. Misread the “load Sysex to Panel”. I thought that it was to load from the synth. But that’s what the record button is for. Yay me. Maybe reword it to “Load Sysex from PC”. But that is an easy fix I can do myself.
There is always room for improvement. I can send different requests to the synth but my aging brain has a hard time remembering al those Sysex requests. Soooo, a Sysex request command “Manager” would be awesome :P.
No, just kidding. Seems like a challenge I might take on myself.September 15, 2020 at 4:04 pm #119820samohtParticipant
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It’s the U-220. Every chunk of the patch dump this unit sends out has the right header and checksum to send it back.
I fully understand your view on simplicity and I will thankfully use your code as a template to integrate into the U-220 panel I started.
September 15, 2020 at 4:38 pm #119822September 15, 2020 at 8:10 pm #119825
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Just a quick mockup. Might as well make a custom component so I can make editable headers of what the Sysex actually does and to be able to load sysex from disk to send as a request. Now it’s done with a listBox. But it’s a start.September 15, 2020 at 10:27 pm #119829BAUSParticipant
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Nice one Tedjuh!
I am wondering if I can use this to send and receive samples to and from the Ensoniq Mirage.
I already had succes with sending a Sample Request Message and getting a Wavesample back as Sysex.
I keep on following this thread!
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