[Dr3Tri]

Any progress? Will it have 4PM filter mode options?

[Dr3Tri]

Any progress? I would be very pleased and grateful from just AFM sound editing possibilities with clear and fast user interface.

Everything else, like combining 1-AFM to 2-AFM etc. could be done on SY-77 easily, but basic patch editing takes ages, while searching right parameter settings.
Absence of decent editor for SY-77 causes my synth to be totally unused, and that is a shame. It’s a great machine.

So, if you get your editor to that point that it could be easily used to edit AFM-patches, please upload it here.

All alternative editors there is are unusable IMO, even commercial MIDI Quest. They have so lousy user interface that it is easier and faster to just use SY77 to do everything.

What I am looking from editor program is that it brings fast and intuitive knob per function UI to synths that lacks it.
Current editors like SY-manager and MIDI Quest have tried to implement every possible function there is -but their programmers doesn’t quite seem to understand how important usability is for sound editing, they are full of very small tiny spots that should be dragged with mouse to do something. mY Wrists would get broken after couple days when using them. Their editor windows are not even scalable, which makes them even worse.

Please save us from using them! 🙂

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Yeah, i want it too.

Here’s implementation in txt btw.
http://www.slackers.net/~skoop/Music/Ge … 800man.txt

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"atom":38ts9wqm wrote:

i have the EX800 it has no MIDI at all, but i see that the 8000 series do. Post some links to manuals please.[/quote:38ts9wqm]

What do you mean by that EX800 has no MIDI? Actually there is no anything but the MIDI how it can be played because it has no keys..
EX800 also had SYSEX support which Poly800 mk1 didn’t have.

And more: Poly 800 mk1 can be modified to support SYSEX with using EX800 ROM.
http://synth.stromeko.net/SDada/Readme_Poly-EX-800.html

That page had also link to Korg Poly 800II MIDI Implementation in plain text:
http://synth.stromeko.net/SDada/Readme_Poly-EX-800.html

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EX800 was probably typo and was meant to be EX8000 -but it also has MIDI and is editable through SYSEX.

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I meant this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/52484296@N00/5467843473/

Must give two values for BOTH device ID and manufacturer ID.
Now, if manufacturer ID is 43 and device / model ID is lets say 62, how do i know which values to put in each location?

More status updates: i got also TX7 CTRLR working with MU128 + PLG100DX and there were no special tricks. For other Yamaha MU users: it is needed to select PLG card manually from MU’s front panel when starting to edit sounds. That’s not biggie though..

So advanced MIDI settings does not matter anymore because i got this working without those settings.

However, because MU128 + PLG100DX combination does not allow for saving sounds to internal memory those must be saved else where. I tried to save and load sounds in CTRLR but without any luck. Like after using "save" function and saving program to some folder in HD, when trying to load it from same location there is nothing to load. Saving obviously does not happen.

Another thing to keep in mind. Saved preset should keep all parameters of the sound instead of just those that have been edited, so that when sending preset to a synth it would be complete. BTW. It is not possible to transmit patches or banks from PLG card to outside (i think) so requesting dump ain’t gonna work. I remember reading from somewhere recently that traffic is "one way only" (manual perhaps).
Though when using randomize funtion in CTRLR and modifying sound after that until it sounds OK and saving it, it should contain all parameters that make it sound complete.

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Forgot to mention that having a sound preset saved with VST hosts song file would be even better than working save / load functions or preset library capabilities. When every track simply would have sound preset in it’s memory that’s all that is needed. Well, maybe library would be useful in situations where one would tries other presets in place of original to see if they work better.

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Updating this topic if someone else considers to buy MU128 or similar PLG host.

DX7 editors work with PLGDX cards instantly. Years ago i noticed that i can use DX7 editor with DX200 (which holds PLG150DX card inside) in fly -just plugging cables and that’s it.
It’s same thing with MU128.

What caused confision earlier was probably that i had no experiences of CTRLR editors (i still don’t) and i was trying TX7 editor with MU128. That did not work. I tried that again few days ago. Also tried to edit advanced MIDI settings and SYSEX values for device etc.
Those settings were btw. also confusing. Each parameter setting (model ID etc) in CTRLR editor asks two hex values instead of one. I don’t get purpose of that.

Now when i setup XP for old laptop (with tascam us-122 usb soundcard) and tried old UNISYN editor which have DX7 profile on it, it worked instantly.

I still like to get ctrlr working because having VST editor is much better way to handle things when composing music.

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Trinity is one of those monsters again.. with huge amount of parameters. Might be big and slow project. If MOSS board is included like it is in V3 Trinity there’s even more stuff to create.. also effects have plenty of stuff that would scream VST automation. ” title=”Very Happy” />
Hmm. Maybe some kind of partial editor would be fine at first? What to include? Envelopes, filters, effect levels, feedbacks etc.. parameters that are usefull to add in to the track permanently.

Windows versions first, IMHO. Most users have windows anyway..

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I got the impression from that page i linked that in MU-80 (as in all MU-series of modules) model ID is needed to editor work. I can’t understand how that module could recognize that SYSEX strings are targeted to it instead of real DX7 instead if not using MU-128 specific ID at some phase.

I just checked MU-128 settings and there is SYSEX enable / disable switch for both the unit itself and in the PLG specific settings.. i got both enabled.
There is feature in MU-128 which shows MIDI data of the parameter when pressing enter quickly two times in row. I checked it with [i:35fho4nm]carrier 1[/i:35fho4nm] parameter and got this: F0 43 10 [b:35fho4nm]62[/b:35fho4nm] 60 00 0B 57 F7

In that MU-80 example model id was said to be 4C. How ever, from here:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun04/a … rclass.htm
-can be seen that ID for XG sound card is also 4C.

"[i:35fho4nm][b:35fho4nm]MU-80[/b:35fho4nm] – size of sysex commands usually 9 bytes

Let’s look at the example from above…

F0 – here comes some data
43 – this is a Yamaha synthesiser
10 – substatus and device number
4C – model ID (this is an MU-80)
00 – group and sub group numbers – an identifying number
00 – usually the part number you are talking to – in a multi-timbrel synth.
7E – the identification of the specific parameter (in this case XG System)
00 – the DATA… this is the bit that changes the sound of the parameter – this is the bit you can enter and adjust.
F7 – data sending is finished… goodbye

…If you are sending sysex commands to the DX7 they will always begin with F0 43 10 and if you send to the MU-80 they will always start with F0 43 10 4C and they will always end with F7. It’s the 2 or 3 data bytes before the F7 that most interest us who want to send messages to the synth.[/i:35fho4nm]"

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I support this request. I have had DP4 and DP4+ as well as another Ensoniq products like EPS16+, ASR10 and ASR-X.

Loved effects in those samplers so i ended up buying DP4’s while ago. What i did not like when working with them was integration with daw. CC-message support is for most common parameters only so it is not an option. If controlling every parameter from DAW is requested SYSEX strings must be used.

AFAIK DP2 has exactly same functions as DP4, it’s just half of the DP4 and was targeted for those who have not money to buy bigger brother but needed those fx. I guess when DP4 editor is ready some beautiful day, that only needs different device ID’s to control DP2 or DP4+.
DP Pro was clearly different machine. Newer stuff inside.. . .

BTW. There is also other ppl. searching DP4 editor who does not know about this CTRLR site yet. I bet that this editor might get pretty popular..
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho … ?t=1668066

Suggestion to all DP owners who have working commercial editor for it: How about recording those SYSEX strings for each effect parameter and create that sought after MIDI SYSEX documentation from scratch?

Manual says clearly that it does not come with it, it must be asked from Ensoniq.
http://a.33e.biz/ensoniq/Ensoniq-manual … x-info.png
And that abbendix:
http://a.33e.biz/ensoniq/Ensoniq-manual … pendix.png

In that acapella.harmony-central forum thread starter said that he was hunting that SYSEX documentation from everywhere without luck.

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MOTU was in business at the same time as Ensoniq and their UNISYN editor supports DP’s.
http://www.motu.com/products/software/u … files.html

UNISYN had also PC versions before latest upgrades. I have that prog. and DP profiles for it but as i sold my DP4 i am not eager to spend more time with this.. . Like checking each parameters SYSEX string. ” title=”Smile” />

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