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[crayolon]

Cheers, here’s the Supernova manual: [url:1gl7wgly]http://uk.novationmusic.com/uk/support/download/supernova_ii_keyboard_user_guide/132[/url:1gl7wgly]

So I can use Dashboard to send MIDI CC, anyway. A problem I’ve found with the Dashboard, by the way, is that it crashes the second/third time you edit an existing control (but I guess you’re still working on Dashboard). It’s good for testing, anyway.

Okay, I was up all night struggling with Express 2010 and discovered a few things.

Your Ctrlr sources use the dot operator for accessing members of some Image related stuff, which builds fine, but I’ve discovered that if you edit and save a <whatever>Editor.cpp with TheJucer, it saves ‘->’ in place of ‘.’ and does a few other weird things that break it. I’m using the prebuilt Jucer from ‘extras’ within the juce package – I thought it was the latest version, but maybe I actually need to build it myself, what do you think? Worth pointing out in case others come across this problem, though.

Some other very weird and inconsistent build errors cropped up for no reason that I could tell, and if they happen again (I’m sure they will!) I’ll try to document them on here. Anyway, a real problem I’ve got now is that no matter what I try, the build process won’t parse my adjusted XML – every time I build, I check the standalone executable’s Preferences and see all the OLD (i.e. xio prefix) modulators listed, even though my XML contains all new ones (snv prefix – supernova). My prebuild process seems to contain the XML thingy that we discussed on IRC, so I don’t know what’s going wrong OR where the hell it gets the old data from! It shouldn’t exist any more! Any suggestions would help to stop me going bald with frustration ” title=”Smile” />

Edit: oh, by the way, do you have some secret and magical way of generating the XML files, or does it have to be all done by hand (like I’m doing now)?

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however not all NRPNs are equal, for example KORG ms2000 uses NRPN in running mode and it don’t work in normal mode, if you have, post the manual to the supernova synth i’ll have a look and i’m sure we can figure something out.

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no, NRPN/RPN is fully implemented the MSB/LSB split is done automagicly, you can have a look at the Tetra/Mopho editors they use NRPNs.

[crayolon]

I’m pressing (slowly) ahead with my Supernova II Ctrlr, using the Xiosynth Ctrlr as my template. Problem is, I’m having a really difficult time getting the Supernova to respond to any NRPNs that are sent. I’ve spent all evening learning the conceptual ins and outs of NRPN – how to construct messages, calculate values, select parameters, etc – but while the Supernova picks up all regular CCs, it just ignores NRPNs. Even NRPNs which, in the Xiosynth, correspond to different parameters don’t have any effect (the Xiosynth and the Supernova II share maybe 30% of mappings due to their shared Novation heritage).

Can anyone think of any obvious blunders I might be making, or gotchas that I’ve forgotten about? Should it be as simple as changing the number in the XML (which works for the CCs), or am I missing some special voodoo?

Suggestions appreciated; this is driving me mad now ” title=”Smile” />

Edit: by the way, the Supernova II [i:izmlca7h]sends[/i:izmlca7h] NRPN instructions fine when operated via knobs/buttons. I’ve monitored the output in MidiOX and, between MidiOX and the ver2.0 Supernova manual, I’m confident that I’m using the right NRPN values for the stuff I want to adjust… But…no dice.

Second edit: is it possible that it’s because more than 128 NRPNs are used, and so the MSB bank is required as well as just the LSB bank? Is that something that isn’t accommodated for by the current NRPN implementation? And, if so, should I be packing my NRPN instructions into SYSEX messages? (Well, I guess I can find that out by trying it ” title=”Razz” />)

[crayolon]

Cool, well I’m building fine and I’m able to make some changes to the Xio template that have an effect on the Supernova (actually, some do already since Novation tend to use similar CC values for similar params on their stuff)…

I guess the only daunting thing now is the vast amount of stuff to be edited/added, and I’m not sure if I’m editing in the right places, etc. Am I right in thinking the only purpose of the XML is to match controller components with actual cc/nrpn values, while the component names (referred to in the XML) are defined in the files in [..]/UI/ ? If so, then I guess I just have a lot of work to do ” title=”Wink” /> It would be good to have a quick’n’dirty guide to editing that stuff, though, for people who’ve managed to get as far as being able to build their project.

Any help would be appreciated (but I’ll ask any further questions in the Programming subforum, like I should!)

[crayolon]

djstylee – I’m working on a Supernova II controller as we speak (it’s building; I just need to map all the stuff). By the way, the OS2.0 Supernova II manual (available for download from Novation’s site) has all the up to date NRPN/CC tables in there – that’s what I’m working frmo.

atom – yeah, same with the JV-1010 – LOTS of work. The sysex/etc section of the 1010 manual is completely insane – first it has to teach you intermediate mathematics so you can understand the sysex checksum equations, THEN it tells you how to do them (and I don’t understand much of it). One bloke’s put this helpeful info online: http://www.chromakinetics.com/handsonic/rolSysEx.htm but all it did was make me realise what an enormous task this is. I’m not much of a programmer and I like quick results, so I’ll stick with the Supernova and the Virus B for now ” title=”Razz” />

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Sorry at the time of going to press these tables were unavailable, but will be available on our web site http://www.novationuk.com ASAP.
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mother fuckers, only the CCs are available i’ll look for the NRPNs cause i assume there will be more control using NRPNs.

[acatcalledanarchy]

Hi Atom

Top work there! I will happily test:

[list:ah7o5j7n]Moog Little Phatty
Moog Voyager[/list:u:ah7o5j7n]

..once released on OS X. I can also provide you with Midi Specifications for DSI Prophet ’08 if your interested..?

One final thought do you have any plans to implement NRPN’s for Little Phatty filter control, also there are a lot of additions to the LP Midi Spec for OS 2.2. which I can provide you with should you be interested.

Take care

Peace, love and flowers

A Cat Called Anarchy

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Well as you can see some builds are there and more are coming soon.

New features:
– no audio settings anymore, just midi
– midi feedback (sysex and nrpn for now, others midi types soon)
– a Dashboard component that lets you create additional controllers, this one will become the Ctrlr engine in the future
– re-written engine
– more options
– bank/program change menu in the top right corner that might come handy
– you can check for updates in the About dialog
– all UIs are inside a Viewport, you can enable/disable scrollbars if you can’t see the whole editor and scroll around freely
– a lot of code changes i can’t remember now ” title=”Smile” />

all this is experimental and not tested, i know there are a lot of bugs and missing code that i will be adding in time

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Will be posted soon, i finished the SysEx midi feedback and NRPN midi feedback, so i’ll try to build Mopho, Evolver, and maybe some others more popular ctrlrs this week, i just have one more problem with the menus but that’s something that is inside juce so i have to consult with the library developer. I wanted to post some builds today but the menu issue makes them unusable in VST builds. So i need to ask for some more patience.

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The problem is there is no clear specification. There is a list of CCs but they are listed in a Generic Midi way and this table does not give any specifics. There are also two LSB/MSB values so i don’t know how to interpret this (is NRPN/RPN used?)

Perhaps there is an already existing editor i could look at and reverse engineer it ?

[kristia]

I see what you mean; but how can you control what MIDI events should be handled by the DAW and what MIDI events should be sent directly to the device? To me, it seems that everything goes through the DAW before it passes it on to whatever its internal routing is set up to be.. this is interesting… didn´t know that a "direct" MIDI option was possible… Here´s an interesting note though: I also have an Alesis Micron and to control it I have the Micron AU which is a donateware AU controller… the Micron only responds to SysEX (no Midi CC# / NRPN at all as far as I am aware)… I am able to MIDI map etc. controls to this AU device perfectly in Live and control the synth… I don´t know how this actually happens in practice as I also thought that Live pretty much couldn´t cope with SysEx, but maybe it just echoes it to the Micron..

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i found some bad PDF for the bass station, i got the right one and a ctrlr is possible all parameters are there, this one will be quick

the voyager, if you can find a doc that specifies what MIDI messages are understood by the device, then it’s not a problem

as for the Europa mod it’s a bit more work, i was looking into that some time ago, will get back to this.

The polyEvolver looks similar to the Evolver, maybe try the evolver ctrlr and see how it works, the Prophet08 is similar to the Mopho and it’s all NRPNs so that’s not a problem.

[alittlesound]

Moog Voyager, Roland Jupiter 6 and Dave Smith Poly Evolver(rack).

I know thats quite a request list but I think I have sysex and maybe even nrpn sheets for these. I can even donate to help! The thought of having au plugs for all my synths makes me excited so I would love to help in any way I could!

Also Let me know if I should have done these as separate posts!

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Well i know this is a big beast, anyone has a good midi implementation chart for this ? I need to take a look how this looks. I like SysEx, so that’s nor a problem this is the best kind of midi messages there is, NRPN/RPN are crap whoever came up with them was stoned.

share some links, posts, blogs, i’ll look into it.

[AvantMidi]

[b:334zok6p]Alesis Andromeda A6[/b:334zok6p]
The big analog/hybrd mothership. This one has a pretty complex structure when it comes to nrpn/sysex control.

Vyzor is claiming they are making a vsti editor for some years now…wel… ” title=”Wink” />

If there is any change there will be a ctrlr voor the A6, this will greatly enhance the Andromeda’s potential.
I know A few members of the CTRLR group have an Andy including myself fortunately.

I will be available for all testing procedures and will be writing test reports until the completion off the A6 CTRLR project.

Making an CTRLR for the A6 is a pretty big challenge. It would be tremendous if it would ever become reality!

Thanks for all the great CTRLR’s! Great work indeed!

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1) MIDI OX http://www.midiox.com/ it can monitor, merge, filter do all sort of weird stuff with your midi devices, very helpful if ypu have little hardware ports and a lot of applications wanting to use them (Windows)

2) MIDI YOKE http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm virtual MIDI ports, along with MIDI OX create a pairt of must have tools, with those two programs you can do anything midi wise (Windows)

3) Xmon, (win http://ctrlr.googlecode.com/files/Xmon_Win32.7z osx http://ctrlr.googlecode.com/files/Xmon_Mac_UB.dmg) my little utility let’s you see what’s happening on the MIDI wire in terms of bits bytes messages, it understands NRPN and RPN messages it can dump a message bit by bit, you can send custom messages and catch responses (Windows, OSX)

4) MIDI Yoke for OSX exists in OSX itself, just go to Utilities->Audio And MIDI Settings, and look for the IAC driver, add as many wirtual devices as you want, you can use them with Xmon lto see what’s going on.

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should be simple it’s all NRPNs, once i get over with the stuff i started, i’ll get to it. it’s in the queue (i’d love to get one too, though i always wanted a ProOne).